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you're in the para test the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so Chris O'Brien is our co-host um gene

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Steinberg you're in the para cast and we

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decided that we liked the yeti

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microphone so much with THX certified

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audio that we were going to use it again

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this week or at least I am going to use

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it Chris is using what kind of

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microphone Audio Technica okay

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it's a singers mic okay you're not gonna

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sing though are you

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no but you sound marvelous thank you

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thank you I resemble that remark but

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seriously speaking you know we don't get

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together too often as a matter of fact

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our network GC and asked for a picture

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of you and I and I said there is no

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picture no because we don't really get

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together at off I think you and I have

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met a total of once with that interview

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we did with Antonio Honus yeah my studio

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and then during the International UFO

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conference we got together a couple of

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times that's it I only missed our chance

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we could have had a picture taken two

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days ago we missed our chance

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I don't cast a reflection I'm sorry my

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kind of person we don't cast reflection

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I want to tell you something really good

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happen this week you know there is a UFO

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discussion newsletter that's out there

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called UFO updates UFO updates Toronto

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Area it's run by a guy who runs a talk

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show about the paranormal name of Errol

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Bruce Knapp and he closed off the thread

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on abductions and I'm going to realize

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I'm yeah I need you and waited through

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all those gee night man I admire your

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patience as has happened over this lists

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history there have been times to close

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discussions on a few threads we have

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reached yet another with those dealing

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with Hopkins Jacobs and woods until such

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time as new information surfaces no

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further submissions dealing with the

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various Hopkins Jacobs and woods threads

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will be posted

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you're slamming the door thank heavens

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well or shutting it firmly well it

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depends don't let the door strike you on

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the way out I think that's what they

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said it really got to be a little

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excessive I think the problem is with

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UFO abductions in general is there's a

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real problem there real mystery that we

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need to resolve we have to decide is et

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involve in at least some cases mental

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processes people having unusual

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experiences with an external source

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internal source a combination a lot of

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problems there but if all we're debating

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is whether but Hopkins ex-wife like some

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or not or his research methods or some

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woman in New Zealand is complaining

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because she submitted to investigation

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by dr. David Jacobs she feels he didn't

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treat her correctly and I don't know

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whether we did or not but that is not

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the be-all and end-all of UFO abductions

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I don't think there's any winners here

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it's a tawdry it's a tawdry affair and

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it just I think once again sheds light

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on the inadequacies of the abduction

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researching protocols that should be in

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place in orange so well one thing here

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is that we did have a fascinating

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overview of the abduction scenario when

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we had Kathleen Mart on last week's

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episode and that was done direct from

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the International UFO Congress and the

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one thing I noticed I was only there a

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short time just to do the interviews

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with you and maybe to wander around a

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little bit I didn't have the time to

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basically spend three days there haven't

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done the three day at a UFO convention

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thing for quite a long time but you're

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telling me they had quite a big

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attendance there yeah you know I have a

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personal fondness for the heyday of the

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Eureka Springs loo Farish conferences in

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the mid 90s that's where I really cut my

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teeth meant a lot of my research of

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friends who I've you know been in in

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fairly close contact now with over the

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years and and other than the Eureka

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Springs conventions there I really felt

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this was the best UFO convention or in

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this case Congress I've ever attended

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John Rayo and the open minds team did it

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just an amazing job you know for

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organizing and pulling off their very

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first Congress I was very

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very impressed with the professionalism

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the lineup of speakers with one or two

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exceptions and just the general buzz

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that seemed to be permeating the place

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it was just amazingly attended I mean I

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they sold out I mean they had over 1,500

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people I went to the sushi bar one night

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and they were out of rice I went to the

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bar they had no draft beer so I think

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the you know the Fort McDowell Resort

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and Casino is gonna have to ratchet up

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their their buying there for the next

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one you know what really they'll raise

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the rates well probably but evidently

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from what I understand open minds has

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signed a contract four or five years so

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this is the first of hopefully quite a

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number of congress's will be held there

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you were saying

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attendance is about 1,500 and normally

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you get a few hundred at a UFO

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convention a lot of times you get less

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than a few hundred and most people who

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sponsor UFO conventions myself included

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I did that a long long time ago in a

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galaxy far far away most of the people

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who do this crazy thing they lose a lot

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of money yeah and that's not a question

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you know saying always they're just in

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it for the money but if you're shelling

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out thousands of dollars to rent space

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at a hotel to pay travel expenses maybe

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fees for speakers you deserve to at

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least get a return on that investment

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and maybe have a few dollars for your

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time even if it's that minimum wage you

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know you know and they did have a lot of

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volunteers I think which helped you know

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in terms of the total amount of what we

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had that they needed to deal with and

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myself included I guess I was

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volunteered I was wearing so many hats

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there my head was spinning

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did you always wear um no I was why I

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wore about three different hats actually

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physio look the same what kind of hat is

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that is that barb from Indiana Jones or

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what no it's it's called a casino style

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had it's a rosemary ellen guiley called

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it the Shadowman hat it's very similar

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to the fedora wearing Shadow Man but

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it's part of my costume I've been

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wearing a hat like that for many years I

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use it to stand out you know from the

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crowd though I don't think those Jim

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Marrs has his little fedora but I'm

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proud of my hat I just bought a new hat

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band for it and on the Navajo

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Reservation and I wear it proudly

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you're showing clean shaven on our site

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but the real you today is the beard well

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I do have a goatee in a mustache which

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is a recent addition to my costume but I

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had somebody mentioned to me at the

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MUFON meeting and I stopped in and said

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hello at last week prior to the

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convention I stopped in and said hello

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and somebody said every time I see you

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you look totally different and I guess I

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guess that's a compliment well I haven't

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changed in 400 years

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I understand there's an app for that

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there probably is but you know there's

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an app for everything else there was a

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an app we mentioned I think a few weeks

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ago an app for investigation of strange

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audio sounds from the spirit world all

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sorts of apps but you know what let's

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segue because that's why we're here and

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is he a colonel is he a doctor is he

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both yes he's both he's the retired

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lieutenant colonel and he has a PhD I

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we're gonna have to double check with

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him on this but I believe is the PhD

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from foreign College I believe is in

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thanatology which is the study of death

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whoa what a perfect agree to have when

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you're in in charge of development of

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non-lethal weapons technology I guess

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you really have to know about death to

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be able to design weapons that don't

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kill people

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well I was thinking then he was not a

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technical adviser to the movie

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Flatliners do you remember that movie so

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oh yeah sure okay it's with Julia

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Roberts med Kiefer Sutherland that's

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right and they all try to kill

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themselves and hopefully remember things

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in the afterlife that they could bring

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forth

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and then resurrect themselves and of

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course as with any movie at least one

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person dies during this encounter but

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that has nothing to do with John

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Alexander except for the fact that he

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has an interesting book out now called

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UFOs myths conspiracies and realities

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and I want to know more about this

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especially in a plane laughter about it

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it's a very fascinating read and I do

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recommend it I'm telling you everybody

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if you're as you know getting a little

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cynical and jaded like I am after 20

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years in this field I think you'll

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appreciate an insider's view of many of

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the myths and conspiracies that are said

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to exist within this realm he does do a

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very good job of pointing out I think in

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many cases the obvious and I do highly

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recommend this book I think it's an

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absolute must addition to your library

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Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

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you know we don't see many card covers

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anymore called UFOs myths conspiracies

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and realities now dr. Alexander welcome

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to the podcast and I guess the big

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question I would have is why does

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somebody with all your credentials how

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do you get caught up in the UFO mystery

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well I'm a masochist

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I want to get beat up then I come out in

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the play then I say this isn't kind of a

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no-win situation because one of the

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things I mentioned early on is you

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better understand conspiracy theory you

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know if you you either believe there's a

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conspiracy or if you deny it you're part

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of the cover-up I love the story in your

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book about the little the little woman

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at the conspiracy con conference you

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know freaking outs pointing at you and

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saying it's him he's the one that was on

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the ship that adducted me you know there

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are no limits yeah actually the original

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question I've been interested in the

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topic since 1947 and yeah I'm old enough

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to actually remember those incidents and

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having reported on them through our

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little school radio program at the time

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so Kenneth Arnold how major made your

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little school radio station that's

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interesting let me say well we're

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talking about La Crosse Wisconsin so

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this was really small okay so you rant

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about the subject as a kid did you spend

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much time on it before

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you started doing no intensive research

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I followed the field for decades so

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there was a MUFON member and all of

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those sorts of things read articles

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books all of the usual suspects he

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eventually got more deeply involved when

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I was actually on active duty we thought

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there was probably some black program

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someplace like most of your listening

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audience would believe and so I put

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together a group of people that came

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from all of the services most of the

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agencies you know about and some that

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you don't and aerospace industry all of

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excuse me sir some that you don't

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explain that please I'm sorry when you

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mention agencies that we know and some

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that we don't know what do you mean well

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there were some that were not public at

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certainly at that time and so anyway we

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were interested the people had to come

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it was literally an old boy not and I

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have the right clearance of interest and

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we started having a few plenary sessions

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to discuss what people knew and what we

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found that basically is they knew the

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same rumors that everybody else knew in

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the you know in the fields was certainly

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all the civilian sector we also found

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out as I went around everybody was more

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interested in what other agencies might

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be doing then the phenomenon itself

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because as you know in Washington

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information is power and so they you

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don't want to be left behind

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explain why you named at the advanced

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theoretical physics group I think this

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is an interesting point of note yeah

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well at that time we were talking early

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80's of course for years were hot and

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heavy and so what we decided to do was

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to name it something that if a FOIA came

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in for UFOs would not be associated with

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it now the other thing we did was there

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were not supposed to be any written

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records few people it turns out

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had violated that but there weren't any

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minutes of the meetings there were

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nothing going out announcing the meeting

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so if anybody came in asking about it we

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can literally say it doesn't exist or

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there's no there are no written records

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well I've always wondered and this is

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something that's that's puzzled me over

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the years

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I think I mentioned to you when we

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initially talked to have you on the show

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that I kind of missed it and said I've

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been I've been following your career for

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years and you chuckled and and I kind of

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recur ected myself and said I would have

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loved to follow your career for years

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you're you're quite an animatic person

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in this field and one of the things

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that's an exotic about you is you're

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your doctoral studies with Elisabeth

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kubler-ross and and the field of

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thanatology why did you choose this

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particular area of study and do would

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you care to discuss your motivations are

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well some of that was serendipity I was

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had done a lot of work in a wide variety

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of behavioral science yeah anyway and I

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was getting ready to do a dissertation I

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was interested in near-death studies and

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study done looked at you know the

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near-death studies for a long long time

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and actually I think there's you know

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some crossover between NBS and UFOs and

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all of these things as people have heard

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me say but what happened was the the

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final thing I was in my office at in

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Atlanta at Fort McPherson there and I

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get a call one day that said Elizabeth

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is going to be coming through Atlanta

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Airport and in those days you could go

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out you know to the gate and those

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things she has several hours and

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wondered if you could meet her and of

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course I said yes and so the next day I

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went to the airport and met her and she

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says you know of all the people I know

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in Atlanta I chose you to call and I

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have no idea why and so I said I think

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I'm supposed to ask you a question and

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it was you know which she had the

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committee she says oh yes

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so she was your doctoral thesis advisor

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four years ahead of the actual head of

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the committee yes there were other

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people on it and when I ended up doing

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the dissertation arm was looking had

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changes in spirituality and people who

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attended her life death and transition

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workshop she was amazing woman oh she

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wanted brought hospice to the u.s. but

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also had a series of incidents that were

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just totally unexplainable I might

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mention the one thing that she really

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mentioned that caused a change I had

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used the word religiousness in the

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proposal and because there's a lot of

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information available about

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religiousness per se she read a lot of

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quotes and she said no you have to

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change it to spirituality and what we

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found was that there's a lot of people

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even if not asked when you say or do you

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consider yourself to be religious we'll

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say no but I think I'm a spiritual being

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and they they actively say I reject the

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dogma of the church but I think we have

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a relationship with higher beings and

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this sort of thing well did this field

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of study and your your intense interest

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in this subject lead to your first major

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position after retiring from the

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military which was at the Los Alamos lab

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where you were involved in developing

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the whole concept of non-lethal weapons

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technology I find me the interesting

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it's kind of a conundrum you're studying

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near-death experiences and and in actual

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what happens when the soul transits from

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this mortal coil and then all of a

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sudden you find yourself in the

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non-lethal weapons development game I

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tell you what we'll have to get into the

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non-lethal developments came and lots

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more coming up Chris O'Brien's the

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co-host um gene Steinberg you're in the

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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Friedman you are listening to the parrot

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radio we have dr. John Alexander author

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of UFOs myths conspiracies and realities

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and we'll have to find out what all

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those signify I'm Jean Steinberg Chris

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O'Brien's the co-hosts are in the power

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cast so the question on the table dr.

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Alexander about non-lethal weapons etc

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what's your answer yeah well what had

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happened was that I had retired from the

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military in 88 the number of

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serendipitous incidents that occurred it

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just can't be enumerated just one after

652
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another I was actually going to go to

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work for one of the major defense

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contractors and I ended up at Los Alamos

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National Laboratory and instead was

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looking at what was going on in the

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world and at that time we had the

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invasion of Panama Grenada had come

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along things going on eventually in

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Somalia and just said you know we've

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kind of geared up for World War three

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major tank battles and those sorts of

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things and yet the kinds of actions were

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being engaged in really require minimal

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levels of force for instance in Panama

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these were a longtime allies our

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argument was with Noriega and a few of

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his henchmen but certainly not the

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Panamanian people how do you apply force

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in a very constrained way because at the

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end of the day you wanted them to be

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friendly and you have you know big

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families with long memories so killing

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folks is not very practical so it was

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looking at the conundrum of between

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doing nothing and doing too much and

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what kinds of things could allow us to

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do that well where is the State of the

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in this particular type of a weaponry

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you don't hear much about about

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non-lethal weapons being deployed

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occasionally you'll see a brief little

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piece that'll show some sort of sonic

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cannon or sticky glue or weapons of fire

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nets that sort of thing but but are

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these types of weaponry is it being

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deployed currently well yes you know

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that's just more about what was being

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read about and written about them as you

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said the state of the art what emerged

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we held some studies I was with the

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studying with the Council on Foreign

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Relations it was able to bring in John

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deutsch who was then the Undersecretary

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of Defense this was in the mid 90s and

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said look we're military needs to get

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much more involved and this led to the

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creation of the joint non-lethal weapons

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directorates

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under the Marines and it's still up and

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running at Quantico lots of evaluations

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and testing and R&D going on an actual

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fielding many of the units in the field

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if you remember the Balkans went into

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Iraq some in Afghanistan but you

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actually have whole non-lethal weapons

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packages that are deployed with units

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now under the you know the right set of

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circumstances right of course and as

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everybody probably guesses the

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ubiquitous Taser of course is one that

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is most visible I think many law

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enforcement officials Park Rangers for

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the federal government are routinely

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armed with this particular type of

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non-lethal weapons they know the fact I

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went to see Rick Smiths is the president

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of Kaiser and happened to have been

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there in Scottsdale there are a growth

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company one of the things I say and I'm

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willing to go to the mat on this but

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Kaiser has never killed anybody despite

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all the noise to the contrary and it's a

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very very effective weapon they're

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working on some things now that we were

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discussing to increase the range one of

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the problems with Kaiser

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from a military perspective is you've

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got to be very close they've got about a

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30-foot range with the extended range on

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it and one of the questions that came up

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early on from the troops and all

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non-lethal weapons is it is it better

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than a rock so they would like changes

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that allow them to you know get be able

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to stay outside of rock throwing

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distance and and some of those are

738
00:32:00,580 --> 00:31:57,649
coming well this kind of dovetails into

739
00:32:02,649 --> 00:32:00,590
the whole idea of psychotronic weapons

740
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:02,659
how much work did you do in developing

741
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weapons that were geared more towards

742
00:32:10,539 --> 00:32:08,539
the mental battlefield as opposed to

743
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weapons that are more of a physical

744
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:14,870
nature sure zero okay well one term that

745
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:16,490
you hear bannard about among this

746
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:18,289
conspiracy crowd is the idea of

747
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:20,750
psychotronic weapons platform I I must

748
00:32:27,549 --> 00:32:23,960
admit I've used this term before as well

749
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:27,559
I know that the psyops portion of the

750
00:32:33,779 --> 00:32:29,809
military is one that is fairly hidden

751
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:33,789
and isn't talked about much publicly but

752
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:36,289
what is your knowledge about the state

753
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:40,010
of the art for influencing the the mind

754
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:42,890
at a distance as opposed to you know

755
00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:45,590
some sort of more physical physical type

756
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:48,649
of process I'm not sure how to address

757
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:51,230
the question now if you're talking about

758
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:54,110
literally the mind control stuff and

759
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:56,750
what this classic psychotronic weapons

760
00:33:01,840 --> 00:32:59,480
the answer is real simple zero you know

761
00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:01,850
just not an area that they're going into

762
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:04,520
if you talk about influence operations

763
00:33:11,049 --> 00:33:07,730
meaning what's happening in information

764
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:11,059
warfare then you're on a huge huge scale

765
00:33:18,669 --> 00:33:16,610
and I would argue that most of the what

766
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:18,679
they call psyops which would be

767
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:21,580
psychological operations is pretty much

768
00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:25,250
in the open and they would argue quite

769
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:29,720
strongly against using black and what's

770
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,730
a little black and grey psyops usually

771
00:33:37,539 --> 00:33:35,120
because the utility is limited and

772
00:33:39,549 --> 00:33:37,549
sooner or later you get caught and the

773
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:39,559
implications are usually worse than

774
00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:41,860
having told the truth to begin with

775
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:45,559
that's interesting I that's a unexpected

776
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:47,809
reply would thank you by the way I also

777
00:33:52,419 --> 00:33:50,270
was trained in antiquity is a

778
00:33:55,539 --> 00:33:52,429
psychological operations officer

779
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:55,549
something people point out from time to

780
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:03,760
specialist dr. Alexander I'm sorry does

781
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:05,020
that make you a disinformation

782
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:07,910
specialist then that was about to say

783
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:14,060
that it in general it is far worse to

784
00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:17,149
use things that are not true because the

785
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:20,149
blowback is worse and harder to sort out

786
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:23,030
than telling the truth to begin with mmm

787
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:24,290
that's interesting bullets

788
00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:26,570
let's dovetail into the subject of your

789
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:29,389
book which I again I find fascinating

790
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,149
and I highly recommend it to our

791
00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:34,159
listening audience I've only had a

792
00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:36,139
chance to really skim through it I can't

793
00:34:41,169 --> 00:34:38,899
wait to dive into it you know in a very

794
00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:41,179
intense way I do like the way you've

795
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:42,859
supplied a summary at the end of each

796
00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:44,510
chapter that really did help my research

797
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:46,070
process only having the book for a

798
00:34:51,129 --> 00:34:48,470
couple days but one of the things that

799
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:51,139
you mentioned in in yours you take you

800
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:53,240
take the whole field of ufology and you

801
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:55,540
do a very dispassionate objective

802
00:35:03,760 --> 00:34:59,170
breakdown of all the various you know

803
00:35:06,609 --> 00:35:03,770
misconceptions pop culture myths and you

804
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:06,619
just do a brilliant job and I really

805
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:08,210
mean this and I'm not stroking you here

806
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:10,730
you did an excellent job of looking at

807
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:14,420
various aspects of this field and and

808
00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:17,780
just explaining the reality as you see

809
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:21,109
it and I think you know obviously we

810
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,200
could go quite a we could do several

811
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:27,260
shows on on these various areas that you

812
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:31,760
cover but what I sum up for us the

813
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:33,170
extent of official and unofficial

814
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:35,480
knowledge within the government about

815
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UFOs and and possibly explain why you

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have come to the conclusion that there

817
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really is nothing to disclose for

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instance that we're dealing with a set

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of information that spread all

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throughout government and that there is

821
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:55,010
no super-secret controlling and

822
00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:56,870
that seems to be holding on to all these

823
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:00,470
UFOs secret secrets and crashed saucers

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and alien bodies and the like that's I

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think that's a good place to start but

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before he goes there hold that thought

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dr. Alexander because we have to tell

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our listeners you have a question or

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comment about the power cast send it to

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that's news at the Peres cast calm we

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promise we do read each and every letter

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myths conspiracies and realities the

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we're back with dr. John Alexander the

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subject on the table relates to the book

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UFOs myths conspiracies and realities so

953
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dr. Alexander Chris posed a very

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multi-faceted question there with all

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sorts of permutations so you have the

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floor we'd like to have your answer yeah

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well first of all I build my call my

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book you know UFOs for people with

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common sense and you know as I said

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earlier in this area the conspiracy

961
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theory oh and I find many of the

962
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ufologists if you will it just as close

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minded as the skeptics or debunkers

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abundance yeah they've made up their

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mind as to what you know and then only

966
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accept facts that fit their theory now

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what I found is and what I say is when I

968
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say no cover-up that does not mean there

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aren't people who get told to sit there

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and be quiet from time to time but in my

971
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view there is no overall conspiracy one

972
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of the things I used to describe is good

973
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news and bad news good news is the

974
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government's been telling the truth

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albeit badly from time to time the bad

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news is the government's telling you the

977
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truth

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the reality is they just don't care now

979
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I do think that

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let's take Bentwaters as a specific

981
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example because that's one where I think

982
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I'm sure low-level enlisted men and some

983
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even you know NCOs were interrogated and

984
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told you know be quiet

985
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you know don't ever talk about this

986
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:12,080
again conversely Colonel halt who was

987
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:15,020
the deputy base commander there was no

988
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such admonition or even interviews or

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anything else and in fact when he was

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about to retire and was getting

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debriefed on our series of secret

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programs this is a classified program

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across the board and he even asked about

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you know what about Bentwaters and said

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the response was they just laughed

996
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so the point is that I think the

997
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investigators have heard the same rumors

998
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and everybody else and it's easier to

999
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just tell people don't talk about it

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than it is to sort of out I use an

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00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:54,890
example here in a different field but it

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00:44:00,010 --> 00:43:57,860
was at a meeting at the office of

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Secretary of Defense staff officers

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Perley senior responding to a snowflake

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from Rumsfeld and read the classified

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00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:10,970
documents and asked them so what what is

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a secret about this I mean this is a

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newspaper kind of stuff and they said

1009
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yes it's just easier to classify

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everything that it is to figure out what

1011
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we should protect and so and this has

1012
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led to a lot of the conspiracies in many

1013
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:28,460
many areas this is the government's

1014
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propensity to over classify things

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they're taking the path of least

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resistance if we don't understand it or

1017
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it requires more than a modicum of work

1018
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classify it and maybe just out of sight

1019
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:45,530
out of mind oh well I do address the

1020
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issue what I call too tough to handle

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they say for instance the some of the

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northern tier of sightings and

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particularly the ones at Malmstrom you

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know where the missiles were shot down

1025
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definitely happened and I think they

1026
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:01,550
looked at it couldn't figure out it was

1027
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,580
and then so what they did is said well

1028
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:06,440
we'll just wait and if it doesn't happen

1029
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:08,930
again that's gone away so for right now

1030
00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:11,480
it's in too tough to handle just won't

1031
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:15,080
bother to address it yeah that is

1032
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:18,020
prevalent in many many areas well

1033
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:20,630
picking up on that we've had some some

1034
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:24,410
pretty high-profile persons come forward

1035
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:25,250
over the years

1036
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:27,380
like for instance Colonel Philip Corso

1037
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and his claims quite to the contrary

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that there is crash retrieved in

1039
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back-engineered technology projects

1040
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going on that are dead aliens now I do

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understand that the role of his

1042
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co-author may have sort of prettied up

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jazzed up and and beefed up some of the

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book and I think Corso did it have some

1045
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was a little dismayed about that and I

1046
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:54,840
do know that you talked to him about

1047
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,310
this what do you make of someone like a

1048
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:01,680
Philip Corso who comes forward in and

1049
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:03,750
refutes basically what yours what you're

1050
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:05,310
asserting about the government's role in

1051
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:07,710
all this yeah I understand that

1052
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,430
I knew Phil before during and after the

1053
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:14,880
book coming out I was with him two weeks

1054
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:18,600
before he died to address some of these

1055
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:24,450
issues in my book I have a appendix a is

1056
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:27,360
a letter that I sent to him which is a

1057
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:31,560
series of ninety some errors and they

1058
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:34,140
run from little things like it's Adelphi

1059
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:37,320
Maryland not adelphia two huge things

1060
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:40,050
like know the Cold War was not a cover

1061
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:44,100
for fighting et there's two problems one

1062
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:47,190
is his book could get very wide

1063
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:49,670
distribution probably the best UFO book

1064
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:52,590
from a sales perspective that has been

1065
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,780
out there and conversely if you look at

1066
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:01,280
the various technologies that he claimed

1067
00:47:08,810 --> 00:47:06,270
not a shred of evidence to support any

1068
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:08,820
of the technological claims you can look

1069
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:11,160
at the history of each of the

1070
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:14,250
technologies involved from fiber optics

1071
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:18,480
to integrated circuitry to night velcro

1072
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:22,920
no that's one of my favorites and we

1073
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:26,100
know exactly how that was developed if

1074
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,050
he were right you would assume at some

1075
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:31,520
point what you do is you see a big bump

1076
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:37,410
and that just doesn't happen well what

1077
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:39,270
about for instance the whole idea of

1078
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:42,420
crash retrievals and and or something

1079
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:45,930
like mj-12 now bob would so I know

1080
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:49,170
you've known for many years it has been

1081
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:51,720
involved in I think he was one of the

1082
00:47:58,070 --> 00:47:53,250
advanced theoretical physics coupe

1083
00:48:00,020 --> 00:47:58,080
members he's he's been involved in

1084
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,030
ufology for years of course he's X

1085
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:01,920
aerospace high up in aerospace

1086
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:05,490
why would someone like Bob wood and his

1087
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:08,910
son Ryan be so enamored with the whole

1088
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,670
idea of crash retrievals enough to to

1089
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,200
put on a conference every year about

1090
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:16,559
this subject well both friends I've

1091
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:19,920
known the senior you know Bob wood for

1092
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:22,770
decades there are certain areas where we

1093
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:24,619
agree to disagree

1094
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:27,210
he's certainly done a lot of work you

1095
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:28,440
know and the supposed

1096
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:32,150
which he now even suggests was not

1097
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:35,640
really a government manual for

1098
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:39,359
recovering ATS but it was real but

1099
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,609
designed to fool the Soviets

1100
00:48:47,029 --> 00:48:44,220
you know talked about formal

1101
00:48:51,859 --> 00:48:47,039
disinformation that was aimed at an

1102
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,869
adversary at the time 12 documents the

1103
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:53,880
MGF documents he's taking the ball and

1104
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:57,180
run with them ya know as we know the

1105
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:00,690
mj-12 documents per se or basically have

1106
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,529
been I think thoroughly discredited

1107
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:06,119
across the board that would be my

1108
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:08,130
position on and certainly that of the

1109
00:49:13,099 --> 00:49:09,720
archives they've actually been able to

1110
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:13,109
find some documents that have you know

1111
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:15,210
the body the text and that sort of thing

1112
00:49:22,339 --> 00:49:19,440
and then you know a couple of changes in

1113
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:22,349
it and the document reappears as mj-12

1114
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:26,010
which is a different discussion well

1115
00:49:30,019 --> 00:49:27,690
then you raised it here so let's just

1116
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:30,029
dive in very quickly and we'll get back

1117
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:33,210
to some of the other issues okay so we

1118
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,250
have the mj-12 documents you have a

1119
00:49:40,339 --> 00:49:37,980
document that somebody a independent

1120
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,349
party a hoax or whatever took this

1121
00:49:45,289 --> 00:49:43,140
document and fabricated the mj-12

1122
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,299
documents from it is that what you're

1123
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:47,359
saying pretty much that's that's

1124
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:51,210
conventional wisdom the I do any

1125
00:50:02,140 --> 00:49:55,619
comparison in in my presentation that

1126
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,150
has to do with Watergate and mj-12 and

1127
00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:05,760
mj-12 yeah exactly

1128
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:09,980
if you look at how Watergate evolved

1129
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:14,760
when you had felt you know who really

1130
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:18,780
was a deputy director of the FBI putting

1131
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,750
out information and the I'm sorry I'm

1132
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:27,180
think I'm confusing it we're talking

1133
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:30,120
about all the president's men now and

1134
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:32,370
that information how that came out

1135
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:36,780
sure and you know yeah so you had felt

1136
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,330
going to the Washington Post eccentric

1137
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:42,480
cetera he was known Washington Post a

1138
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:46,140
huge journal has resources puts the

1139
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,800
information out they go to who you did

1140
00:50:52,610 --> 00:50:50,400
what

1141
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:52,620
you drop something in the mail and maybe

1142
00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:55,410
somebody will pick it up and they have

1143
00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:58,080
no resources and they're unknown and I

1144
00:51:03,590 --> 00:51:00,990
mean that just defies common sense

1145
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:03,600
that's why I said the book is when you

1146
00:51:09,350 --> 00:51:06,330
follow these things through and say how

1147
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,360
would you do that why would you do it it

1148
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:12,480
makes no sense at all what do you think

1149
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:14,310
maybe and this is something that we'll

1150
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:15,650
have to carry through our next segment

1151
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:19,770
that this is all planned deliberate or

1152
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:23,210
just a bunch of fortunate or unfortunate

1153
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:26,250
accidents that allow these so-called

1154
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:28,290
conspiracies to happen ponder that

1155
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,630
question for a moment our guest is dr.

1156
00:51:36,050 --> 00:51:33,180
John Alexander the book is called UFOs

1157
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:36,060
myths conspiracies and realities and I

1158
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:37,980
think we're focusing a lot on the ladder

1159
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:41,010
to the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1160
00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:49,660
[Music]

1161
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,470
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

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a private bank having a led back at

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interest

1178
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forcing taxes to surfaced at this

1179
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:31,290
capitalism or was jefferson correct when

1180
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:32,760
stating a central bank issuing the

1181
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,410
public currency is a greater menace to

1182
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:35,520
the liberties of the people than a

1183
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:37,080
standing army today anderson i'm placing

1184
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:38,370
a free silver dollar in a book that

1185
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:40,470
explains our monetary system call for

1186
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:42,180
your copy of eight hundred six eight six

1187
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,740
two two thirty-seven it's time to

1188
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:46,800
understand the system call 866 to 237

1189
00:52:57,350 --> 00:52:55,440
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1190
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,360
the pair cast the gold standard of

1191
00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:00,720
paranormal radio and now here's gene

1192
00:53:08,799 --> 00:53:05,849
[Music]

1193
00:53:11,579 --> 00:53:08,809
we have dr. John Alexander the book is

1194
00:53:13,749 --> 00:53:11,589
UFOs myths conspiracies and realities

1195
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:13,759
vocalist is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1196
00:53:18,249 --> 00:53:16,249
Steinberg you're in the power cast the

1197
00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:18,259
question of course on the table with dr.

1198
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,900
Alexander is I guess the deliberate or

1199
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:23,599
not so deliberate nature of how these

1200
00:53:28,029 --> 00:53:25,729
so-called conspiracies and things work

1201
00:53:29,499 --> 00:53:28,039
out what's your reaction my reaction is

1202
00:53:33,009 --> 00:53:29,509
you got a lot of folks with too much

1203
00:53:35,799 --> 00:53:33,019
time on their hands because they doing I

1204
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:35,809
don't know but it's it's clear out of

1205
00:53:40,179 --> 00:53:38,390
the basement young man I'm sorry I said

1206
00:53:41,769 --> 00:53:40,189
it's a lot of guys that live in mom's

1207
00:53:43,809 --> 00:53:41,779
basement that need to come upstairs and

1208
00:53:47,049 --> 00:53:43,819
get some air okay

1209
00:53:49,179 --> 00:53:47,059
yeah no it's obvious that there's a lot

1210
00:53:51,130 --> 00:53:49,189
of folks out there and you I guess the

1211
00:53:54,249 --> 00:53:51,140
equivalent today would be what happens

1212
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:54,259
on many of these blogs where people just

1213
00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:56,900
get in and spend an inordinate amount of

1214
00:54:03,549 --> 00:53:59,630
time you know jerking people's chains

1215
00:54:06,189 --> 00:54:03,559
and I'm seeing it you know repeatedly in

1216
00:54:09,339 --> 00:54:06,199
this field and unfortunately it muddies

1217
00:54:11,439 --> 00:54:09,349
the water quite a bit one of the things

1218
00:54:14,769 --> 00:54:11,449
we're getting far away from here

1219
00:54:17,979 --> 00:54:14,779
and seems to happen in this field is

1220
00:54:20,169 --> 00:54:17,989
that they concentrate on you know these

1221
00:54:23,259 --> 00:54:20,179
conspiracies and things that they

1222
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:23,269
disagree with as opposed to my main

1223
00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:25,849
thrust which is hey some of this stuff

1224
00:54:32,349 --> 00:54:28,579
is real and very important and deserves

1225
00:54:34,809 --> 00:54:32,359
to be researched but you know the UFO

1226
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:34,819
community would much rather play in the

1227
00:54:40,479 --> 00:54:37,849
mud and get up and try to get to the

1228
00:54:42,609 --> 00:54:40,489
stars and that's an important point you

1229
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:42,619
raise and I think we should qualify our

1230
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:45,709
conversation you absolutely do agree

1231
00:54:50,709 --> 00:54:48,890
that there is a real UFO phenomenon at

1232
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:50,719
the core of this mystery that it

1233
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:54,049
deserves investigation but it perhaps

1234
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,920
isn't as pervasive and as filled with

1235
00:55:01,150 --> 00:54:59,839
glitz and bells and whistles like the

1236
00:55:03,219 --> 00:55:01,160
conspiracy buffs and the pop-culture

1237
00:55:04,689 --> 00:55:03,229
would have us believe so you are

1238
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:04,699
agreeing that there is something worthy

1239
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:09,529
of study here most that's absolutely

1240
00:55:16,029 --> 00:55:12,890
true and my most important point is we

1241
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:16,039
need to clean this up and make us so

1242
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:16,980
that record

1243
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,369
scientists can get into the field

1244
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:22,380
without you know potentially damaging

1245
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:25,920
their career right now this is totally

1246
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,250
toxic and I can give examples the real

1247
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:31,650
where I was attacked and I'll give you

1248
00:55:37,339 --> 00:55:34,260
one in Scientific American where they

1249
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,349
came in and said basically that you know

1250
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:40,079
I couldn't be trusted because I believed

1251
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:42,390
in things that most scientists were

1252
00:55:48,050 --> 00:55:45,480
skeptical of and the point was the the

1253
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:48,060
article was on non-lethal weapons not

1254
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:51,210
UFOs or phenomenology that they use

1255
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:53,820
these had hominem attacks you you know

1256
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,579
attacked my personal credibility and

1257
00:56:00,800 --> 00:55:58,619
that's you know anybody on the outside

1258
00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:00,810
who looks at these feelings and there's

1259
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:04,320
a number of scientists who are frankly

1260
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:07,290
interested but do not want their name

1261
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,770
associated because of the potential

1262
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:13,440
degradation if you take guys like Bob

1263
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:17,099
John and this is not in the UFO field

1264
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:20,730
but it was in you know studying remote

1265
00:56:26,859 --> 00:56:23,660
viewing and psychokinesis this is an

1266
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:26,869
individual who was the Dean of

1267
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,550
engineering at Princeton you know the

1268
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:32,640
Dean and yet you know got taken on and

1269
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:35,640
had you can't say his career was

1270
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:39,660
destroyed but he certainly had a lot of

1271
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:41,880
bumps and bruises from the routine

1272
00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:44,130
scientific community just because he

1273
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,280
said I will study this objectively

1274
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:48,359
that's what we've got to get away from

1275
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:50,790
well you find yourself in the curious

1276
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,890
position of getting it from both sides

1277
00:57:02,329 --> 00:56:54,960
it's like you have a target on the on

1278
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,339
your back side and your front side throw

1279
00:57:08,380 --> 00:57:04,920
the third side in there and that's some

1280
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,390
of the fundamentalist religions who

1281
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:10,319
don't want to hear about these things

1282
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:12,810
either I know they don't

1283
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:15,210
well you mentioned in your book a very

1284
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:16,680
interesting meeting that you had with

1285
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:27,720
Ben rich Oh Jacques Soleil you were

1286
00:57:29,849 --> 00:57:29,369
meeting with in the earthquake app and

1287
00:57:33,089 --> 00:57:29,859
that said

1288
00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:33,099
that's an John yeah Chuck and I have

1289
00:57:36,779 --> 00:57:34,900
served on boards we've known each other

1290
00:57:39,449 --> 00:57:36,789
for decades but that particular meeting

1291
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:39,459
took place when the at the big San

1292
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:43,619
Francisco quake during the World Series

1293
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:44,950
right

1294
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:48,039
how about listing off for us just rattle

1295
00:57:55,979 --> 00:57:52,630
off a list of credible worthy UFO cases

1296
00:57:58,049 --> 00:57:55,989
that you feel indicate the you know the

1297
00:58:00,900 --> 00:57:58,059
actual reality of this phenomenon and

1298
00:58:03,299 --> 00:58:00,910
and that are deserving of scrutiny and

1299
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:03,309
and research could you give us a list of

1300
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:06,430
you you surprise a list at the book well

1301
00:58:11,729 --> 00:58:09,249
I can't do all of them he stretches

1302
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:11,739
imagine and I think they go on in fact

1303
00:58:16,979 --> 00:58:13,450
one of the things I do at the beginning

1304
00:58:21,299 --> 00:58:16,989
of a book is I list a couple of minor

1305
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,309
cases you never heard of and two of them

1306
00:58:26,339 --> 00:58:24,400
my brothers were involved two more my

1307
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:26,349
son was involved and the point of that

1308
00:58:33,809 --> 00:58:30,609
is that most UFO sightings are never

1309
00:58:36,479 --> 00:58:33,819
reported to anybody and in cases like

1310
00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:36,489
that they come from credible sources so

1311
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:39,400
there's got to be literally millions of

1312
00:58:46,229 --> 00:58:41,890
those kinds of observations out there

1313
00:58:50,279 --> 00:58:46,239
now the cases that I definitely like for

1314
00:58:53,549 --> 00:58:50,289
instance I put Bentwaters at the top of

1315
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:53,559
the heap that is one in which the

1316
00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:55,630
evidence keeps getting stronger and

1317
00:59:00,329 --> 00:58:57,670
stronger you get many of these

1318
00:59:02,219 --> 00:59:00,339
phenomenal cases and we had mentioned

1319
00:59:04,439 --> 00:59:02,229
crash retrievals we don't want to come

1320
00:59:06,509 --> 00:59:04,449
back to that but usually the more you

1321
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:06,519
look at that the more it sort of

1322
00:59:12,329 --> 00:59:09,160
dissipates over time then water is

1323
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:12,339
strong at least 80 witnesses many of

1324
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:14,650
them in the PRP these are Air Force

1325
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:16,930
people and the personnel reliability

1326
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:19,569
program meaning that we know a lot about

1327
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:21,729
them they've had psychological testing

1328
00:59:26,729 --> 00:59:23,890
they're taking pee tests so we know

1329
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:26,739
they're not on drugs and yet more and

1330
00:59:32,339 --> 00:59:30,059
more you know firsthand witnesses

1331
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:32,349
particularly like Jim Penniston the

1332
00:59:38,249 --> 00:59:34,630
first time I called him when he said oh

1333
00:59:40,439 --> 00:59:38,259
you mean the one I touched you know and

1334
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:40,449
I'm pretty convinced that probably did

1335
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:42,850
happen you've got

1336
00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:45,340
you know the base commander or deputy

1337
00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:47,740
base commander that suck halt who went

1338
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:50,590
out there you know the notion that they

1339
00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:52,150
were going to resolve the thing rather

1340
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:54,280
quickly instead has a you know

1341
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,970
life-changing experience of his own and

1342
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:00,160
many many more that would be at the

1343
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:03,970
intent of at the top of list Phoenix

1344
01:00:10,590 --> 01:00:07,650
lights is a great case here again

1345
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:10,600
thousands of people saw it and you you

1346
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,310
look at the you know the simple answer

1347
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:15,040
oh they drop some flares over you know

1348
01:00:20,730 --> 01:00:18,850
over a southwest of Phoenix and you go

1349
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:20,740
wait a minute you know this thing

1350
01:00:26,580 --> 01:00:23,410
started in the Henderson and I may be

1351
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:26,590
farther up but you know then seen over

1352
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:29,770
Kingman Prescott Phoenix all the way to

1353
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:30,370
Tucson

1354
01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:33,160
certainly not flares and then plans

1355
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:35,590
occurred two hours later right yeah yeah

1356
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,570
it's a different incident the other

1357
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:40,000
thing about both of these cases that

1358
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:41,800
I've mentioned they're not singular

1359
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:45,310
events I mean I think in the perception

1360
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:48,700
of most civilians they were not in this

1361
01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:51,610
field these are fleeting things seen at

1362
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:55,660
night or whatnot and reality is that no

1363
01:01:02,430 --> 01:00:59,440
many of them recur another case fits

1364
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:02,440
into this category is Gulf Breeze I mean

1365
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:05,830
that went on for years okay but the

1366
01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:08,260
thing I have a problem with my regards

1367
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:11,260
to Gulf Breeze is not that cases

1368
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:13,480
occurred but one particular character

1369
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:17,650
one ed Walters whether he contributed to

1370
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,570
some of the sideshow about that case

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01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:21,280
partly because at one time they found

1372
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:23,710
what looked to be a model of a UFO

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:25,750
hidden in the Attic of one of the homes

1374
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:27,130
that he built yeah

1375
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:29,140
well I would suggest you go look at

1376
01:01:35,330 --> 01:01:32,500
Bruce Maccabee his website because he

1377
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:35,340
did a paper early on that was you know

1378
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:39,820
fifty five sightings without add so you

1379
01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:41,350
this is not the point

1380
01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:42,820
no I'm not disagreeing with you here I

1381
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:45,100
understand it that dr. Maccabee has a

1382
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:47,410
lot of information I wanted to separate

1383
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:49,270
this because that's one of the big

1384
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:51,010
problems we run into in the UFO field

1385
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:54,470
there may be some factual information

1386
01:01:59,770 --> 01:01:56,930
then it's intermingled with this

1387
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,780
nonsense and that's why we have problems

1388
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:01,760
trying to understand what's going on I

1389
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:04,040
went to Gulf Breeze right I won't go

1390
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:05,690
into the whole light I tell in the book

1391
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I tell the men in black story that

1392
01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:11,750
happened there but what impressed that

1393
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,880
is a story I wanna hear about but you

1394
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:15,440
know what we're just about out of time

1395
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:17,660
with this segment so I really think we

1396
01:02:20,859 --> 01:02:19,430
should push that over to our next

1397
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:20,869
segment about men in black because we

1398
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:22,130
always want to hear about men in black

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01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:23,900
you know whether there are men in black

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or whether it's just you know one of

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these crazy illusions or hoaxes within

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the fabric of the UFO field our guest

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dr. John Alexander the book is called

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so we returned with dr. John Alexander

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01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:34,520
the book is UFOs myths conspiracies and

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01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:37,110
realities Chris O'Brien's the co-host

1508
01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:39,420
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the power

1509
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:42,540
cast and so I interrupted you as you

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:44,730
were talking about Gulf Breeze because

1511
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:49,170
you brought up the dreaded m.i.b wait a

1512
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:51,720
minute John youyou you whipped out you

1513
01:07:55,790 --> 01:07:53,730
put on your wraparound shades at the end

1514
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:55,800
of your talk in there at the UFO

1515
01:08:00,260 --> 01:07:57,750
Congress and you whipped out a

1516
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:00,270
neuralyzer and you zapped everybody so

1517
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:02,310
are you one of the men in black well

1518
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:04,650
what was missing from that is I actually

1519
01:08:12,530 --> 01:08:08,160
have a picture there with Tommy Lee

1520
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:12,540
Jones and Will Smith and me all dressed

1521
01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:16,319
up unfortunately the the slide went by

1522
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:19,319
too fast as I said the neuralyzer I did

1523
01:08:24,860 --> 01:08:21,990
get from Scott Rosenberg who created it

1524
01:08:28,190 --> 01:08:24,870
no this was again one of those events

1525
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:28,200
that you know you couldn't stage what

1526
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:30,210
had happened it was I mean you know

1527
01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:33,089
right cast two characters I was from Los

1528
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:36,359
Alamos I was traveling with a group of

1529
01:08:41,059 --> 01:08:40,319
three other folks who came from the

1530
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:41,069
skunkworks

1531
01:08:47,210 --> 01:08:44,180
literally and we had been down at

1532
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:47,220
Special Operations Command to give a

1533
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:51,150
briefing on certain technology proposals

1534
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,970
and their wishes and that's in Tampa and

1535
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:55,799
so the next day we were to have a

1536
01:09:02,360 --> 01:08:59,100
meeting and hurlburt field which is to

1537
01:09:04,519 --> 01:09:02,370
the east of Pensacola so the notion was

1538
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:04,529
we would give the briefing one day we

1539
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:07,170
would fly up to Pensacola stayed there I

1540
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:09,450
was going to drop everybody off and go

1541
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:13,650
over and see Gulf Breeze well rain came

1542
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:16,370
in our flights got delayed and delayed

1543
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:20,279
and so when we got to Pensacola it was

1544
01:09:25,070 --> 01:09:22,920
now just getting dark and so I've got to

1545
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:25,080
get over there and lo and behold the

1546
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:29,100
rental car company gives us a four-door

1547
01:09:35,559 --> 01:09:32,850
large very very dark green sedan that

1548
01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:35,569
certainly looks like the black sedan

1549
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:38,520
we're still dressed up I had what was

1550
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:40,290
going to get into you know more

1551
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:42,540
comfortable clothes but we were still in

1552
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:45,660
coats and ties blacks and all of that

1553
01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:49,140
and so it was too late so I said I told

1554
01:09:52,999 --> 01:09:51,150
them what we were going to do and they

1555
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:53,009
were kind of interested in whatnot so of

1556
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:54,870
course I said then we went down to the

1557
01:10:04,450 --> 01:09:57,150
beach at Gulf Breeze and show up and

1558
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:09,290
there is no real man in black phenomenon

1559
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:11,610
in the UFO field is that correct well

1560
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:14,070
it's certainly not humans if it is so

1561
01:10:18,230 --> 01:10:15,570
there are certain they've been reports

1562
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:18,240
over time but if you remember many of

1563
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:20,910
them early on talk about people who had

1564
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:23,490
clothes that don't wrinkle and go out

1565
01:10:32,710 --> 01:10:27,330
and just disappear you know humans don't

1566
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,220
forks wait a minute remember my promise

1567
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:40,640
in the last bit of a book says that

1568
01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:43,410
whatever we're dealing with is terribly

1569
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:45,660
complex and there are no simple answers

1570
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:47,820
you're part of the problem that I see in

1571
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:50,490
the UFO community is they want simple

1572
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,990
answers if they're a little Grayson's

1573
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:54,480
they're Reticuli I think most of them

1574
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,490
would be happy with that just because

1575
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:58,620
you can get a grasp on it whereas I

1576
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:00,780
suggest if you look at these phenomena

1577
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:02,970
they're far more complex than we ever

1578
01:11:08,150 --> 01:11:06,030
anticipated and as I put at the end of

1579
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:08,160
the book we're not about to solve this

1580
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:10,410
problem we're not even asking the right

1581
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:12,930
questions yet and hence that leads me to

1582
01:11:17,620 --> 01:11:15,570
why I think we need to be able to get

1583
01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:17,630
you know the best scientific minds

1584
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:19,950
involved but if they keep getting

1585
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:22,710
contaminated by just you know Mirror

1586
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:24,870
Association that's not likely to happen

1587
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:27,090
let me ask you the obvious question here

1588
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:29,460
about conspiracies a feeling on the part

1589
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:31,530
of some people in the UFO field that the

1590
01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:34,200
government is taking advantage of the

1591
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:36,750
confusion and the arguments and all the

1592
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:38,850
debates that go on UFO field and

1593
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,920
injecting a little bit of you know

1594
01:11:44,690 --> 01:11:43,440
foreplay or something they're involved

1595
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:44,700
do you think the government does

1596
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:47,100
anything is there any disinformation in

1597
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:49,489
the UFO field

1598
01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:52,760
and saying you can't say never no let me

1599
01:11:58,209 --> 01:11:55,340
give you a specific example it was

1600
01:12:00,910 --> 01:11:58,219
classified for many many years and that

1601
01:12:03,610 --> 01:12:00,920
had to do with the development of the u2

1602
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:03,620
and which of course was flying at about

1603
01:12:08,110 --> 01:12:05,690
ninety thousand feet and you would get

1604
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:08,120
commercial pilots who were saying I saw

1605
01:12:13,450 --> 01:12:10,730
something above me and it must be a UFO

1606
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:13,460
because nothing could fly that high when

1607
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:15,770
in fact yes there were things flying

1608
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:17,300
that high and they would get spotted

1609
01:12:23,729 --> 01:12:20,900
periodically and officially you know

1610
01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:23,739
government was very happy to hear about

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01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:27,200
UFOs I suspect you're going to get a bit

1612
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:29,960
of that again and that is because of

1613
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:32,510
rapid expansion of remotely piloted

1614
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:35,150
vehicles and the kinds of things that

1615
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:37,430
they're gonna do you're familiar with

1616
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:40,730
predator I'm sure but there's our host

1617
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,620
of sensors it runs from little tiny

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01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:45,040
things you can put in a backpack to

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01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,280
Global Hawk which is you know

1620
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:50,480
transcontinental aircraft that can stay

1621
01:12:57,940 --> 01:12:54,080
up for 36 hours so there's going to be a

1622
01:13:00,010 --> 01:12:57,950
lot more sightings of things that it's

1623
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:00,020
really kind of hard to make out and

1624
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:03,170
those are frankly quite technologically

1625
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:05,780
savvy George Knapp did a great study

1626
01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:08,210
here about something that fell down near

1627
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:12,350
needles Arizona almost assuredly a UAV

1628
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,110
because helicopters come in right behind

1629
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:17,360
us whoop and pick it up and that sort of

1630
01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:19,730
thing so probably a test vehicle I also

1631
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,430
tell people rather frequently that you

1632
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:24,080
know don't be surprised that strange

1633
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:27,410
things fly in the desert the area to the

1634
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:30,260
north of where I am here is where we

1635
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:34,130
developed you to the sr-71 skilled

1636
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:37,850
aircraft and host of others so there are

1637
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:39,860
strange things that fly out there that

1638
01:13:46,270 --> 01:13:42,800
does not make them et correct and we

1639
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:46,280
never can be fully sure at what level

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01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:49,610
are exotic secret black project

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01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:52,730
technology has attained and I'm sure if

1642
01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:54,680
you were flying around and you were

1643
01:13:58,930 --> 01:13:56,900
driving out in the desert in 79 80 and a

1644
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:58,940
stealth fighter bomber flew over you and

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01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:01,760
you had your radio on you saw UFO well

1646
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:03,230
this brings me to another you mentioned

1647
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:06,710
you you're out in Vegas air and it is a

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:09,860
hotbed for technological development why

1649
01:14:12,819 --> 01:14:10,730
don't you tell us about your

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01:14:15,009 --> 01:14:12,829
relationship with the Robert Bigelow in

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01:14:17,109 --> 01:14:15,019
the knids the National Institute of

1652
01:14:19,330 --> 01:14:17,119
discovery science I believe you were

1653
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:19,340
managing director there for a number of

1654
01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:22,489
years what what is Bigelow's interest in

1655
01:14:28,259 --> 01:14:25,340
UFOs and in the near death experience

1656
01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:28,269
realm I I understand he has a very very

1657
01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:32,300
avid interest in Andy's related possibly

1658
01:14:37,419 --> 01:14:34,820
to to the passing of his son I've heard

1659
01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:37,429
why don't you give us a just kind of a

1660
01:14:41,259 --> 01:14:39,619
thumbnail sketch on how you became

1661
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:41,269
involved with Ned's and then we'll go

1662
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:44,150
into some of the projects that Nitz has

1663
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:49,460
been involved with another serendipitous

1664
01:14:56,020 --> 01:14:53,000
event I was actually hosting a small

1665
01:15:00,220 --> 01:14:56,030
meeting at my house in Santa Fe talking

1666
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,230
about well you know alternative energy

1667
01:15:06,129 --> 01:15:02,239
sources and things like this it was a

1668
01:15:08,919 --> 01:15:06,139
private group at the house and over

1669
01:15:12,189 --> 01:15:08,929
weekend and the Sunday morning we're in

1670
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:12,199
the kitchen getting ready to I lived in

1671
01:15:18,509 --> 01:15:14,210
the sort of way as opposed to most all

1672
01:15:21,609 --> 01:15:18,519
the most and get a raise I head to the

1673
01:15:24,879 --> 01:15:21,619
Albuquerque Airport and the phone rings

1674
01:15:26,830 --> 01:15:24,889
and this guy says you know I I'm Robert

1675
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:26,840
Bigelow I've heard about you if you got

1676
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:29,329
anything interested in going up hey what

1677
01:15:32,620 --> 01:15:30,710
that's so interesting I'm going to make

1678
01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:32,630
it a cliffhanger and we're going to have

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01:15:36,069 --> 01:15:34,070
the second part of that question in a

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moment after we pause to take care of

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some business dr. John Alexander joining

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us Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

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in the power cast and you got a call

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from Robert Bigelow he found you

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01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:23,960
somewhere

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01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:27,110
tell us about that call well he had you

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know just search around and he's known

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for Sunday morning for phone calls and

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so when he catches up on stuff so anyway

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01:20:41,140 --> 01:20:38,389
I said you're interested in these areas

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01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:41,150
you got anything of interest and then

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01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:43,730
arranged to fly over and came over we

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01:20:48,970 --> 01:20:45,830
talked in general and I had introduced

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01:20:52,090 --> 01:20:48,980
him to among things Ferris Williams who

1803
01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:52,100
was working on some advanced series who

1804
01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:54,440
had he had been at Los Alamos and was

1805
01:21:02,290 --> 01:20:58,190
now elsewhere and he had decided that he

1806
01:21:04,959 --> 01:21:02,300
wanted to create an organization and he

1807
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:04,969
did have intense personal interest in

1808
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:07,360
the two areas as you mentioned a

1809
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:11,409
continuation of consciousness and UFOs

1810
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,050
UFOs came from some sightings that I

1811
01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:16,719
know his parents had had and

1812
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:18,860
grandparents continuation of

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01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:20,330
consciousness you mentioned the

1814
01:21:25,570 --> 01:21:23,540
unfortunate incident that he had lost

1815
01:21:28,450 --> 01:21:25,580
his son one of the things that surprised

1816
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:28,460
me I had actually seen him once before

1817
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:30,409
but they've not met him and this was at

1818
01:21:37,570 --> 01:21:34,250
the conference that John Mac had held at

1819
01:21:40,990 --> 01:21:37,580
MIT he and Dave Pritchard had one on

1820
01:21:42,939 --> 01:21:41,000
abductions earlier and he had shown up

1821
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:42,949
there now what I didn't know at the time

1822
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,130
is his son had just died and so

1823
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:48,320
obviously this was an issue that was

1824
01:21:54,459 --> 01:21:51,710
kind of forefront of his personal

1825
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,469
consciousness so we described or

1826
01:21:59,919 --> 01:21:57,199
discussed how to build such an

1827
01:22:02,439 --> 01:21:59,929
organization we he actually looked at

1828
01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:02,449
the Santa Fe Institute and thought about

1829
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:05,480
taking that over just buying it and now

1830
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:07,489
the problem there is you had Murray

1831
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:08,570
gell-mann who

1832
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:12,610
Nobel physicist and some pretty big egos

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:15,650
probably wouldn't work so decided to

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create what became the National

1835
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:21,110
Institute of Discovery Science well the

1836
01:22:25,959 --> 01:22:23,570
one point that Bob and I disagreed on

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01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:25,969
and and I agreed to come over on a

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01:22:31,450 --> 01:22:29,000
part-time basis I had just retired a

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01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:31,460
second time from University of

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01:22:38,350 --> 01:22:34,070
California which actually runs the

1841
01:22:40,450 --> 01:22:38,360
National Lab and when I proposed was

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01:22:43,629 --> 01:22:40,460
that we ought to get together and

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01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:43,639
collect a lot of observations and from

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01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:46,310
that develop what the organization ought

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01:22:52,030 --> 01:22:49,040
to look like being an engineer Bob

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01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:52,040
picked up his pen and went over says and

1847
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:54,500
we got we got these two fields and you

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01:23:00,189 --> 01:22:56,210
know here are the sub-elements under

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:00,199
each one and following the golden rule

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we his way of course but now I would

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correct I was not director we actually

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brought in colum Kelleher who did a

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phenomenal job as the guy who ran things

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01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:17,090
from day to day again I was on basically

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01:23:22,359 --> 01:23:19,820
a half-time basis because I was

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01:23:25,839 --> 01:23:22,369
continuing to do work and particularly

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01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:25,849
in non-lethal weapons and other areas

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01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:29,719
for the government so I've I've always

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had multifaceted the interests if you

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will so anyway from that we created it

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one of the misperceptions I think has to

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do with skinwalker ranch that's actually

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a working ranch but had heard about it

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01:23:50,530 --> 01:23:46,929
and you know some very strange things

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01:23:52,180 --> 01:23:50,540
going on and actually that was one of

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01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:52,190
the first investigators up there by the

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way I was there I was the one that

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actually gave well Tom Gorman Terry

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Sherman big lows number also the number

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of Laurance Rockefeller and before he

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could make the call to see if these

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01:24:05,950 --> 01:24:04,489
gentlemen would be interested in buying

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01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:05,960
the ranch and doing something with it

1874
01:24:10,330 --> 01:24:08,090
somewhere to what needs eventually did

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01:24:12,430 --> 01:24:10,340
you Robert Bigelow found out about the

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01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:12,440
UFO sightings up there and went ahead

1877
01:24:18,069 --> 01:24:15,500
and called him on his own well I'd like

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01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:18,079
to point out and cuz you're well aware

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01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:18,880
of this

1880
01:24:23,939 --> 01:24:20,760
you know the issues there were not just

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01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:23,949
UFOs I mean the kinds of incidents who

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01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:26,409
went on there or just you know kind of

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01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:29,380
mind-boggling and has this gets back to

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01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:32,710
my thing about we ought to be looking at

1885
01:24:38,610 --> 01:24:35,020
things broader rather than labeling them

1886
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:38,620
upfront and then serving setting certain

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01:24:44,010 --> 01:24:41,770
expectations about what the parameters

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01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:44,020
are I think that's been one of the flaws

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01:24:50,189 --> 01:24:47,560
in the field yes that God knew blinders

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01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,199
on yeah we say we're only going to study

1891
01:24:56,669 --> 01:24:53,199
this much and see what a lot of other

1892
01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:56,679
stuff that's related to this and some

1893
01:25:01,680 --> 01:24:59,050
know I have keep throwing out the line

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01:25:05,459 --> 01:25:01,690
maybe somebody will bite sooner or later

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01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:05,469
to do a step-back conference where we

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01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:08,489
can get people who have had broad

1897
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:11,770
exposure and have them get together and

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01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:14,080
just put up on a board and we call

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01:25:19,410 --> 01:25:16,449
monster grams here are the observations

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01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:19,420
but without assigning values to them in

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01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:22,330
other words they're not UFOs or puller

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01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:24,760
Geist or near death or what not to say

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01:25:29,879 --> 01:25:27,670
this is what we see and then in stepping

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01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:29,889
back and then doing the macro pattern

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01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:32,500
analysis and say how do these pieces go

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01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:34,810
together or do they I mean maybe they

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01:25:38,459 --> 01:25:35,199
don't

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my notion is that consciousness is a

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01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:41,860
very important piece of whatever it is

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01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:44,409
that we're exploring right we can't even

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01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,350
define consciousness yet alone factor it

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01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:49,120
into all these mysteries one of the

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01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:50,710
things towards the end of the book that

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01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:53,020
you mentioned is your idea of

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01:25:58,379 --> 01:25:55,719
precognitive sentient phenomena and the

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01:26:00,660 --> 01:25:58,389
way that these especially the skinwalker

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01:26:03,629 --> 01:26:00,670
ranch would be a classic illustration of

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01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:03,639
this where the phenomena tends to sect

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01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:05,560
would be one step ahead of the

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researchers and tends to play with you

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01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:11,560
and you actually use the mai-mai term

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01:26:16,919 --> 01:26:14,409
the trickster you're one of the first

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01:26:19,169 --> 01:26:16,929
people that I've seen actually equate

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01:26:21,689 --> 01:26:19,179
some of this stuff to the tricks they're

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01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:21,699
in in the sense of it is playing with

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01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:23,980
it's it's jerking us around and of

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01:26:28,290 --> 01:26:25,960
course we've talked with George Knapp

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01:26:31,530 --> 01:26:28,300
here on the podcast and he related the

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01:26:32,370 --> 01:26:31,540
story of the of the camera being focused

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01:26:34,169 --> 01:26:32,380
on another

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01:26:35,879 --> 01:26:34,179
amaura security camera and having the

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01:26:37,770 --> 01:26:35,889
one camera go down and have all these

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01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,780
wires pulled out and the other camera

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01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:39,520
didn't pick up anything now how do you

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01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:42,130
explain that well I've included that

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01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:44,500
case in the book because it's so

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spectacular an example you had camera

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01:26:56,189 --> 01:26:52,210
one looking at camera two you're on the

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second or third time lapsed 24/7 you

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01:27:01,680 --> 01:26:59,230
know when it happened and it's just it

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01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:01,690
literally can't happen all of the things

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01:27:08,189 --> 01:27:03,730
that happened could not have happened

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between frames and to make matters you

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01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:11,350
know more complex is the cattle at the

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time of the incident we're kind of

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milling around and what we knew is

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anytime somebody approached the cattle

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or dogs or anything they would scatter

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and did not happen the speaking of

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cattle the the very disturbing incident

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:28,179
when the rancher and his wife are out in

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01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,130
the field checking on calves and they

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were literally in broad daylight in the

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same field within maybe 300 yards of

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another cow and calf they had just

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checked and they turn around go back and

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the darn thing is has been eviscerated

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the I mean really dramatically with no

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evidence of what had done it except that

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it looked like a sharp implement like a

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knife had been used on the animal that's

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01:28:00,540 --> 01:27:56,739
another case I've included in the book

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because it is so spectacular most cattle

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01:28:04,350 --> 01:28:02,380
mutilations you don't know when it

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01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:04,360
occurs many people say how can that

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happen

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turns out that you know ranchers

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01:28:11,459 --> 01:28:09,250
sometimes own seat cattle for a month or

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01:28:14,910 --> 01:28:11,469
so if they're all grazing on their own

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01:28:16,979 --> 01:28:14,920
so when you run across a dead cow you

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01:28:21,419 --> 01:28:16,989
don't know exactly when it happened this

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01:28:24,330 --> 01:28:21,429
happened within you know 45 to 50

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minutes and in broad daylight open

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fields and one of the things that I

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mentioned in there they said well

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everybody talks about the blood ran into

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01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:35,070
the ground so I had the guys go to a

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01:28:41,129 --> 01:28:38,380
butcher shop and come out with blood

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pour it on the ground and you know you

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01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:42,850
could go buy weeks later and say you

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01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:44,830
know what blood was poured off the

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01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:45,190
ground

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they're at the site where the cattle you

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01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:50,460
know this young calf had been mutilated

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01:28:55,890 --> 01:28:53,770
you know no blood yeah and we're talking

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five six gallons of blood and fluids

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that we're missing

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01:29:04,230 --> 01:29:00,520
you cannot examine eight that know that

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rapidly and again in an open field you

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know with insiders around ya remember

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that this is an area where they're huge

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cattle rustlers that you're gonna do

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this in broad daylight it's just not

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happening exactly now here's something I

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haven't heard mentioned much this was

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told to me by here's something that we

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have to mention right now okay okay we

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have dr. John Alexander the book is UFOs

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myths and conspiracies and realities all

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that stuff in one big bucket if the

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our guest is dr. John Alexander I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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you are here in the power cast and Chris

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has been doing some hard questioning of

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dr. Alexander with regard to the

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investigations involving the skinwalker

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01:34:46,570 --> 01:34:44,630
ranch the involvement of Robert Bigelow

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01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:46,580
and maybe later we're gonna talk about

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if you have any knowledge of it dr.

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01:34:53,050 --> 01:34:50,600
Alexander Chris you are to pick up from

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here sure um you know we could do a

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01:34:58,750 --> 01:34:54,679
whole show just on the skinwalker ranch

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01:35:00,580 --> 01:34:58,760
case John who honestly it's one of the

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01:35:02,830 --> 01:35:00,590
most important I think pivotal cases

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ever because we have a world-class

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01:35:07,660 --> 01:35:04,910
scientific effort that's monitoring the

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01:35:09,310 --> 01:35:07,670
area and this brings to mind a question

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that's been on the minds of a lot of

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people that have been very interested in

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01:35:18,250 --> 01:35:14,810
this ongoing case and that is are we

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ever gonna see any more about this case

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are we gonna see papers published are we

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gonna see any other books one of the

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01:35:28,419 --> 01:35:25,760
disappointments of hunt for the

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skinwalker George & Colmes book was that

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there were no there was no real daddy in

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there in terms of photographs graphs any

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sort of Michael identification of micro

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patterns that sort of thing there's no

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mention of the strange metallic rods

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that were found on a mutilated cow which

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I found very intriguing that teri told

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:46,190
me about

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01:35:51,459 --> 01:35:50,330
there's examine I mean that's why it's

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01:35:53,740 --> 01:35:51,469
interesting because I've seen that

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01:35:56,979 --> 01:35:53,750
mannered about on the blogs

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01:35:59,860 --> 01:35:56,989
it was element 115 what absolute

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nonsense well you were the easier from a

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lamp basically there were lights no bold

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light systems that were there that one

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01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:10,010
is a classic case of how the information

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could so grossly distorted you know a

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defies common sense and B it just gets

2143
01:36:22,030 --> 01:36:19,520
out of hands and you know people pick it

2144
01:36:24,189 --> 01:36:22,040
up and start running with it and if

2145
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:24,199
those things have been area element 115

2146
01:36:27,569 --> 01:36:26,210
you would have needed a forklift to pick

2147
01:36:32,949 --> 01:36:27,579
them up

2148
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:32,959
well no if if those ever exist they come

2149
01:36:38,140 --> 01:36:36,320
into physical reality for tiny tiny

2150
01:36:41,409 --> 01:36:38,150
fractions of a second they're so

2151
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:41,419
unstable you certainly would not have

2152
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:47,409
had metal rods like that but there were

2153
01:36:51,790 --> 01:36:50,209
are we gonna see anything yeah yeah you

2154
01:36:53,709 --> 01:36:51,800
know one of the complaints that you

2155
01:36:56,049 --> 01:36:53,719
constantly hear about Robert Bigelow

2156
01:36:59,799 --> 01:36:56,059
being a very well-heeled private

2157
01:37:03,459 --> 01:36:59,809
individual obviously he has rights too

2158
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:03,469
you know retain the confidentiality of

2159
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,110
any data that his team gathers but do

2160
01:37:09,759 --> 01:37:07,760
you think he feels any sort of

2161
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:09,769
compulsion to share with other

2162
01:37:14,799 --> 01:37:11,449
researchers like myself and I could

2163
01:37:16,569 --> 01:37:14,809
rattle off a list of other objective you

2164
01:37:19,149 --> 01:37:16,579
know fairly I think grounded research is

2165
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:19,159
that that possibly could help and in and

2166
01:37:25,330 --> 01:37:22,639
if some of this data was shared with a

2167
01:37:27,219 --> 01:37:25,340
qualified members of the research

2168
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:27,229
community perhaps more heads are better

2169
01:37:32,649 --> 01:37:29,329
than one perhaps we can we can maybe

2170
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:32,659
solve a couple of these puzzles does he

2171
01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:34,159
have it to your knowledge does he have

2172
01:37:40,029 --> 01:37:37,070
any inclination to do this short answer

2173
01:37:42,489 --> 01:37:40,039
is no right no yeah now there were a

2174
01:37:45,069 --> 01:37:42,499
number of papers that were up on the

2175
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:45,079
nudes website and learnt they're very

2176
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:48,050
good too that's as far as I know has

2177
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:51,110
been taken down so I'm not sure that

2178
01:37:57,159 --> 01:37:54,320
you'll see it repeated now bob has gone

2179
01:38:00,459 --> 01:37:57,169
on to other areas he has some minor

2180
01:38:02,140 --> 01:38:00,469
interest I think in you know he keeps

2181
01:38:05,049 --> 01:38:02,150
his finger on the pie here but remember

2182
01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:05,059
what they're doing is vitally important

2183
01:38:10,659 --> 01:38:07,369
and that is that you know Bigelow

2184
01:38:13,060 --> 01:38:10,669
Aerospace most people are not aware that

2185
01:38:16,029 --> 01:38:13,070
you have two satellites circling the

2186
01:38:18,939 --> 01:38:16,039
Earth as we speak that are owned by him

2187
01:38:22,839 --> 01:38:18,949
you know whybut private individual not

2188
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,849
government contracted him to provide

2189
01:38:25,929 --> 01:38:24,320
modules I think for the international

2190
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:25,939
space station correct me if I'm wrong

2191
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:30,530
you know eventually and he it looks like

2192
01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:33,610
the business is getting ready to expand

2193
01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:37,249
again he had shot off the two now

2194
01:38:42,590 --> 01:38:39,900
interestingly in order to put them into

2195
01:38:45,620 --> 01:38:42,600
or but he had to go to the Russians and

2196
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:45,630
they had launched out of Ukraine one of

2197
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:47,850
the problems there of course is that the

2198
01:38:53,630 --> 01:38:51,110
Russians recognized that they you know

2199
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:53,640
kind of had a lock on the market and

2200
01:38:59,919 --> 01:38:57,210
quadrupled the prices and what I wanted

2201
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:59,929
to mention that you know the forward

2202
01:39:04,700 --> 01:39:02,159
well actually the introduction to my

2203
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:04,710
book is written by Burt Rutan as we

2204
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:06,840
mentioned he's wandering circumnavigated

2205
01:39:13,970 --> 01:39:09,780
the world and one the answer is XPrize

2206
01:39:17,450 --> 01:39:13,980
and it's just a world-class aerospace

2207
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:17,460
engineer and he had done it but Mike

2208
01:39:22,939 --> 01:39:20,340
Belleville is a space the first time he

2209
01:39:27,610 --> 01:39:22,949
had created spaceship one the white

2210
01:39:30,169 --> 01:39:27,620
knight to lift it to orbit the station

2211
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:30,179
refueling in command and control to

2212
01:39:35,149 --> 01:39:33,360
rocket engine designs and did all that

2213
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:35,159
for twenty five million dollars

2214
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:39,060
bob is doing the same thing in space and

2215
01:39:43,729 --> 01:39:40,860
they had access to the numbers I had

2216
01:39:46,610 --> 01:39:43,739
actually written this in winning the war

2217
01:39:49,010 --> 01:39:46,620
when I had warned that we had a very

2218
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:49,020
narrow window to maintain our advantage

2219
01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:52,199
which we have since relinquished my

2220
01:39:59,180 --> 01:39:55,739
guesstimate was that he had a thirty to

2221
01:40:03,050 --> 01:39:59,190
one cost advantage over NASA and that

2222
01:40:07,130 --> 01:40:03,060
was based on cubic space available what

2223
01:40:09,229 --> 01:40:07,140
both Bigelow and Burt Rutan have been

2224
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:09,239
doing is attacking the business model

2225
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:12,120
and says you know you don't need

2226
01:40:18,140 --> 01:40:15,690
governments to keep you in space and it

2227
01:40:21,310 --> 01:40:18,150
can be done much more effectively with

2228
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:21,320
private industry in my view that's huge

2229
01:40:28,459 --> 01:40:24,390
even compared to UFOs that's huge that's

2230
01:40:31,180 --> 01:40:28,469
here today very practical so getting

2231
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:31,190
getting back to the ranch and I do

2232
01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:34,110
before I get back to the ranch I do I

2233
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:38,190
mean I admire big Lowe's dedication and

2234
01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:40,170
the amount of money he's investing in in

2235
01:40:45,709 --> 01:40:43,739
this effort and I do wish him though the

2236
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:45,719
you know the best of success in this

2237
01:40:50,979 --> 01:40:47,610
endeavor but let's get back to the ranch

2238
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:50,989
again before we move on I am back in

2239
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:52,830
2004 was

2240
01:40:58,040 --> 01:40:54,930
contacted by a researcher who had heard

2241
01:41:00,560 --> 01:40:58,050
a rumor that Jack Sarfati was looking

2242
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:00,570
into something he was told while in

2243
01:41:10,330 --> 01:41:04,670
England at a dinner with Nick cook and

2244
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:10,340
uri geller about a a possible murders of

2245
01:41:17,450 --> 01:41:13,650
security personnel on the ranch in Utah

2246
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,460
and Sarfati was looking into this and

2247
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:18,960
trying to get to the bottom of it he

2248
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:20,850
didn't tell my friend not to say

2249
01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:22,890
anything so the friend of course asked

2250
01:41:28,220 --> 01:41:25,830
me I made a just an innocent remark on a

2251
01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:28,230
small little bulletin board and for the

2252
01:41:34,940 --> 01:41:31,080
next two weeks had to withstand the

2253
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:34,950
wrath of Sarfati and last year he came

2254
01:41:39,710 --> 01:41:38,010
forward after Robert Bigelow made a very

2255
01:41:42,650 --> 01:41:39,720
interesting comment in a New York Times

2256
01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:42,660
article about aliens and the possibility

2257
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:45,870
of them being hostile and to your

2258
01:41:51,860 --> 01:41:48,750
knowledge has anyone suffered any sort

2259
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:51,870
of ill effects from being on the ranch

2260
01:42:01,070 --> 01:41:54,960
in close proximity to what we both agree

2261
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:01,080
are very strange phenomenal events no

2262
01:42:07,820 --> 01:42:04,320
now you know there in Australia when

2263
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:07,830
when Terry sold the ranch there was an

2264
01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:09,900
incident that happened a short time

2265
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:13,140
before that and some bad things happen

2266
01:42:19,670 --> 01:42:16,290
but it wasn't two people he had these

2267
01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:19,680
blue balls that he said were floating at

2268
01:42:24,140 --> 01:42:22,440
a very low level you know I was on the

2269
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:24,150
phone with Terry when this happened by

2270
01:42:34,190 --> 01:42:30,450
the way yeah when they got melted in

2271
01:42:36,910 --> 01:42:34,200
Coleman there again there's an

2272
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,920
assumption here is that as they went off

2273
01:42:41,450 --> 01:42:39,360
you know and then he didn't find them

2274
01:42:43,900 --> 01:42:41,460
and the assumption is that the little

2275
01:42:47,630 --> 01:42:43,910
grease spots if you will were the box

2276
01:42:49,810 --> 01:42:47,640
you know and and that as you know scared

2277
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:49,820
him because particularly of his kids

2278
01:42:57,380 --> 01:42:52,860
said you know they might get pentagonal

2279
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,390
sick and bad things happen yeah I was on

2280
01:43:01,760 --> 01:42:59,280
LY again I was on the phone literally

2281
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:01,770
with Terry during that incident and I

2282
01:43:05,710 --> 01:43:04,020
was very dismayed to see the date as

2283
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:05,720
being incorrect

2284
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:07,610
I'm a meticulous documentarian when it

2285
01:43:13,690 --> 01:43:09,980
comes to these types of reports and comb

2286
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:13,700
and George had the date April of 95 when

2287
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:16,850
it actually occurred in August 96 which

2288
01:43:20,830 --> 01:43:19,280
I pointed out in a review of the book I

2289
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:20,840
love the book I recommend it to people

2290
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:23,000
but you know you'd never know how

2291
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:26,300
accurate certain things are and you know

2292
01:43:31,650 --> 01:43:28,910
this rumor that sarvani you know was

2293
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:31,660
chasing down and publicly and you know

2294
01:43:38,590 --> 01:43:35,000
announced it last year we came from a

2295
01:43:41,860 --> 01:43:38,600
fairly good source so I felt obliged to

2296
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:41,870
get an official response from you on

2297
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:43,310
that because if anybody would know about

2298
01:43:46,630 --> 01:43:44,900
something like that it would be you

2299
01:43:48,970 --> 01:43:46,640
obviously it'd be very difficult to

2300
01:43:52,780 --> 01:43:48,980
cover up deaths of that nature but I

2301
01:43:55,060 --> 01:43:52,790
just really not know one of the problems

2302
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:55,070
you hear about it you get into murders

2303
01:43:59,200 --> 01:43:56,930
and you can go off in a whole new

2304
01:44:03,220 --> 01:43:59,210
conspiracy stream there and you go but

2305
01:44:05,020 --> 01:44:03,230
yep we're the were the bodies exactly

2306
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,030
yeah we're the bodies if you have a

2307
01:44:09,310 --> 01:44:07,040
question or a comment about the power

2308
01:44:12,130 --> 01:44:09,320
cast write us news at the Peres cast

2309
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:12,140
calm once again that's news at the power

2310
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:14,750
cast calm before we go into all those

2311
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:16,730
conspiracy streams I've got some of my

2312
01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:19,970
own we're talking to dr. John Alexander

2313
01:44:26,350 --> 01:44:24,260
the co-host is listen I know they're

2314
01:44:29,170 --> 01:44:26,360
after me the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2315
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:29,180
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

2316
01:44:36,710 --> 01:44:30,570
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2317
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:39,230
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2331
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2332
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:12,250
have you ever wondered why banks

2333
01:45:15,450 --> 01:45:14,110
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2334
01:45:17,580 --> 01:45:15,460
talk about gold IRAs

2335
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:17,590
they've been available since 1986 yet

2336
01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:19,330
the financial industry won't recognize

2337
01:45:23,340 --> 01:45:21,430
the value of gold free retirement goal

2338
01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:23,350
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2339
01:45:38,150 --> 01:45:25,480
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2340
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2341
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2342
01:46:01,080 --> 01:45:59,200
we returned with dr. John Alexander I'm

2343
01:46:03,690 --> 01:46:01,090
Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

2344
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:03,700
O'Brien you're in the power cast Chris

2345
01:46:07,979 --> 01:46:05,610
let's just pick up again briefly on that

2346
01:46:11,130 --> 01:46:07,989
point you were about to make before our

2347
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:11,140
break and then we have loads and loads

2348
01:46:15,150 --> 01:46:13,210
did I say loads of questions from our

2349
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:15,160
listeners they want to ask so let's go

2350
01:46:19,860 --> 01:46:17,530
from there well my point is this we we

2351
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:19,870
both agree I think and I'm sure the

2352
01:46:24,270 --> 01:46:22,090
scientists and others who were up at the

2353
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:24,280
ranch during its heyday in the late 90s

2354
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:28,210
to about about in 911 it's when most of

2355
01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:29,850
the activity appears to have happened

2356
01:46:36,810 --> 01:46:33,790
although we don't know for sure about

2357
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:36,820
what has happened since recently there

2358
01:46:41,580 --> 01:46:39,790
have been rumors and I do have sources

2359
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:41,590
up in the area that have talked about a

2360
01:46:45,470 --> 01:46:44,050
dog headed humanoid creature that has

2361
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:45,480
been sighted on a number of occasions

2362
01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:48,790
now these are these are sightings that

2363
01:46:52,979 --> 01:46:50,950
are in the area there of the ranch but

2364
01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:52,989
not directly on the ranch to my

2365
01:46:59,010 --> 01:46:55,480
knowledge in fact one of these stories

2366
01:47:02,610 --> 01:46:59,020
comes from forth to Shane and as you

2367
01:47:05,729 --> 01:47:02,620
know this is an area phenomena it is not

2368
01:47:08,670 --> 01:47:05,739
just bound by the rancher the borders of

2369
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:08,680
the ranch per se absolutely yeah

2370
01:47:12,150 --> 01:47:10,210
well one of the things I was going to

2371
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:12,160
ask is do you feel that there's an

2372
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,170
interconnectedness between these

2373
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,480
phenomenal events number one and number

2374
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:18,880
two do you feel that the Native American

2375
01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:21,489
interpretation should be listened to a

2376
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:24,280
little bit more than just going with a

2377
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:26,410
strict scientific paradigm do you think

2378
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:28,000
that there's any sort of cultural

2379
01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:29,890
knowledge that may share some insight

2380
01:47:34,530 --> 01:47:32,470
and give us a little added information

2381
01:47:37,890 --> 01:47:34,540
with which to investigate these events

2382
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:37,900
well remember that the Native American

2383
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:39,970
population in the area has been there a

2384
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:44,050
lot longer than the whites and I do

2385
01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:47,650
think they ought to be listened to you

2386
01:47:52,700 --> 01:47:49,600
know there's a lot to be learned from

2387
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:52,710
folklore and where things can come from

2388
01:47:57,780 --> 01:47:55,170
unfortunately most of our

2389
01:48:01,470 --> 01:47:57,790
technologically advanced societies we

2390
01:48:03,930 --> 01:48:01,480
tend to discount those stories and and

2391
01:48:06,410 --> 01:48:03,940
sometimes it's you know those kernel of

2392
01:48:09,740 --> 01:48:06,420
truth that's been expanded upon

2393
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:09,750
greatly but certainly areas that do need

2394
01:48:14,419 --> 01:48:11,610
to be listened to

2395
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:14,429
u.s. area about the related phenomenon

2396
01:48:19,700 --> 01:48:16,650
this again gets back to the step the

2397
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:19,710
step back but this because of UFO yes

2398
01:48:25,459 --> 01:48:23,489
UFOs are seen there but so are and all

2399
01:48:29,660 --> 01:48:25,469
of the things that you have described

2400
01:48:32,300 --> 01:48:29,670
and you go in my view it's like I can't

2401
01:48:35,570 --> 01:48:32,310
use the acronym but the the WTF how do

2402
01:48:36,669 --> 01:48:35,580
you figure out how these pieces go

2403
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:36,679
together

2404
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:39,210
exactly which is something that I've

2405
01:48:42,979 --> 01:48:41,400
been working on very diligently I've

2406
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:42,989
come up with an idea that we have a

2407
01:48:46,610 --> 01:48:45,210
causal mechanism that I refer to as the

2408
01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:46,620
trickster but that's that's another

2409
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:49,860
whole show thank you so much for sharing

2410
01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:51,900
some of your insight about the ranch I

2411
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:54,660
think we have a bunch of questions that

2412
01:48:59,419 --> 01:48:57,690
our forum listeners have have posted

2413
01:49:02,030 --> 01:48:59,429
some of them are a little bit more

2414
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:02,040
serious than others the first set of

2415
01:49:05,689 --> 01:49:03,210
questions I think you might get a

2416
01:49:08,990 --> 01:49:05,699
chuckle out of is your wife really a

2417
01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:09,000
vampire have you done ayahuasca like she

2418
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:10,920
has and what experiences have you had

2419
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:14,570
and then there's the whole idea of

2420
01:49:18,860 --> 01:49:17,340
explaining about the aviary and some of

2421
01:49:21,140 --> 01:49:18,870
the misconceptions I think that have

2422
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:21,150
sprung up around that particular term do

2423
01:49:32,810 --> 01:49:25,199
you want to handle those well the short

2424
01:49:34,939 --> 01:49:32,820
one no victory is not a vampire and she

2425
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:34,949
didn't try to bite me so yeah I know

2426
01:49:42,110 --> 01:49:39,199
that actually there was a BBC interview

2427
01:49:46,189 --> 01:49:42,120
that was done again the topic was

2428
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:46,199
non-lethal weapons and they almost came

2429
01:49:51,950 --> 01:49:48,449
up with that like we're in these dark

2430
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:51,960
people of slunk off into the dark no we

2431
01:49:56,990 --> 01:49:55,290
were in a hotel in Washington I mean the

2432
01:49:59,720 --> 01:49:57,000
reporter was telling us how scared he

2433
01:50:02,330 --> 01:49:59,730
was you well if this is a war reporter

2434
01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:02,340
and he's scared in a hotel in Washington

2435
01:50:09,650 --> 01:50:04,380
I'd hate to see what he'd do in a real

2436
01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:09,660
war zone well what about ayahuasca and

2437
01:50:14,450 --> 01:50:11,340
the whole role of psychedelics as a

2438
01:50:17,060 --> 01:50:14,460
potential investigative tool you and I

2439
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,070
briefly touched on this at the

2440
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:19,199
conference you you asked about my

2441
01:50:22,890 --> 01:50:20,340
knowledge about Iowa

2442
01:50:25,260 --> 01:50:22,900
dimethyltryptamine as Terence Mckenna

2443
01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:25,270
pointed out for many years does appear

2444
01:50:31,890 --> 01:50:28,840
to open a doorway to another aspect of

2445
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:31,900
consciousness and reality and I do know

2446
01:50:37,740 --> 01:50:34,180
that you have been to Brazil and you

2447
01:50:40,140 --> 01:50:37,750
have met Iowa's Karos and and in fact

2448
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:40,150
you're going I think in the

2449
01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:41,890
not-too-distant future to address a

2450
01:50:47,670 --> 01:50:44,350
conference down there what we feelings

2451
01:50:50,340 --> 01:50:47,680
about that well first of all I'm not a

2452
01:50:54,090 --> 01:50:50,350
participant even though I would point

2453
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:54,100
out that ayahuasca in and it's mostly in

2454
01:51:00,420 --> 01:50:57,130
Peru that we've have been in Brasil and

2455
01:51:01,380 --> 01:51:00,430
Equador as well not only is it legal

2456
01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:01,390
there

2457
01:51:06,570 --> 01:51:04,030
it is part of the national heritage so

2458
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:06,580
their approach to this as a country is

2459
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:09,970
very very different than we approach it

2460
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:13,930
here it certainly seems to open some

2461
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:16,360
very interesting channels and it

2462
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:18,430
actually ties into what we've been

2463
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:21,850
discussing some of the shamans that I've

2464
01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:24,760
met there I mean these are phenomenal

2465
01:51:29,550 --> 01:51:27,310
people and some of them are in positions

2466
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:29,560
where they've never made nor received a

2467
01:51:33,870 --> 01:51:31,480
phone call I mean you get out in the

2468
01:51:37,380 --> 01:51:33,880
word tribes are a hunter-gatherer is

2469
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:37,390
still hard for the Western society to

2470
01:51:45,690 --> 01:51:40,650
imagine this and yet their knowledge of

2471
01:51:46,220 --> 01:51:45,700
biology and neurobiology is just the you

2472
01:51:48,900 --> 01:51:46,230
know

2473
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:48,910
well it's dazzling that's unhearable

2474
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:53,440
yeah and the point that I would have is

2475
01:51:59,220 --> 01:51:55,450
that you know we talk about the spirit

2476
01:52:02,580 --> 01:51:59,230
world and the world we live in as two

2477
01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:02,590
separate and distinct entities for the

2478
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:05,470
shamans they move seamlessly back and

2479
01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:07,450
forth and I've done a lot of interviews

2480
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:09,910
and they will be describing things you

2481
01:52:13,620 --> 01:52:11,410
have to say no no wait a minute are we

2482
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:13,630
talking about consensus reality as we

2483
01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:15,850
know it are we talking you know these

2484
01:52:22,230 --> 01:52:19,540
spirit realms and whatnot because you

2485
01:52:24,930 --> 01:52:22,240
know again they don't see a separation

2486
01:52:28,350 --> 01:52:24,940
between the two and there's there's

2487
01:52:31,959 --> 01:52:28,360
accounts of just obvious telepathy that

2488
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:31,969
that has occurred during monitored

2489
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:34,249
ayahuasca sessions down there where

2490
01:52:37,870 --> 01:52:36,050
everybody does have shared

2491
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:37,880
hallucinations for lack of a better term

2492
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:39,260
although I think that is a woefully

2493
01:52:43,060 --> 01:52:40,880
inadequate inadequate term in this

2494
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:43,070
regard but do you feel that this is a

2495
01:52:47,529 --> 01:52:45,170
possible investigative tool that should

2496
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:47,539
should you know with strict parameters

2497
01:52:55,029 --> 01:52:50,719
and obviously checks and balances good

2498
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:55,039
pot it's well the problem is you know

2499
01:53:00,459 --> 01:52:57,170
that if you just mentioned drugs here

2500
01:53:02,169 --> 01:53:00,469
you know Americans tend to go on a low

2501
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:02,179
hover and I think we have definitely

2502
01:53:06,759 --> 01:53:04,159
toned the baby out with the bathwater

2503
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:06,769
one of the guys that I worked with early

2504
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:09,920
on was John Lilly who of course had done

2505
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:13,130
the LSD research you know legally and

2506
01:53:19,810 --> 01:53:15,679
whatnot did you know just a phenomenal

2507
01:53:22,180 --> 01:53:19,820
guy and yeah we're so afraid of things I

2508
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:22,190
you're actually heading in an area where

2509
01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:24,590
not one discussed longer because the

2510
01:53:29,410 --> 01:53:27,409
problem that I see and this is bleeds

2511
01:53:32,379 --> 01:53:29,420
over in a near-death experience and

2512
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:32,389
religions and all those things is the

2513
01:53:39,250 --> 01:53:36,070
institutions are scared to death of

2514
01:53:41,229 --> 01:53:39,260
direct experience and remember I

2515
01:53:45,029 --> 01:53:41,239
mentioned the difference between

2516
01:53:48,370 --> 01:53:45,039
religiousness and spirituality that

2517
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:48,380
Elizabeth had me changed and the point

2518
01:53:54,069 --> 01:53:51,530
here was that the spiritual people have

2519
01:53:56,649 --> 01:53:54,079
these experiences and they have direct

2520
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,659
experience and that's very hard to

2521
01:54:00,939 --> 01:53:58,880
control so there are there is a control

2522
01:54:03,459 --> 01:54:00,949
aspect to this and there from

2523
01:54:05,709 --> 01:54:03,469
institutional standpoint be they

2524
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:05,719
government institutions or religious

2525
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:10,010
institutions well one of the things that

2526
01:54:15,939 --> 01:54:12,400
psychedelics have a tendency to do is

2527
01:54:18,969 --> 01:54:15,949
reveal the inner truth about things and

2528
01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:18,979
also break down cultural boundaries both

2529
01:54:25,509 --> 01:54:22,280
of which are not necessarily going to

2530
01:54:28,779 --> 01:54:25,519
serve the government agenda very well so

2531
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:28,789
that could possibly be one reason why

2532
01:54:36,189 --> 01:54:33,650
there's been such a boot stamped down on

2533
01:54:38,770 --> 01:54:36,199
psychedelic research we do know from the

2534
01:54:41,469 --> 01:54:38,780
past that's that psychedelics have been

2535
01:54:44,429 --> 01:54:41,479
instrumental in changing the lives of

2536
01:54:47,370 --> 01:54:44,439
chronic alcoholics they've

2537
01:54:49,020 --> 01:54:47,380
with sitov ISM in prisons Timothy Leary

2538
01:54:52,459 --> 01:54:49,030
and Richard Alpert did an incredible

2539
01:54:55,679 --> 01:54:52,469
study in the early 60s with LSD and

2540
01:54:57,870 --> 01:54:55,689
imprisoned inmates it is a very

2541
01:55:01,140 --> 01:54:57,880
potentially a very fruitful Avenue for

2542
01:55:03,449 --> 01:55:01,150
for mental health at the very least but

2543
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:03,459
having been someone who I and I proudly

2544
01:55:09,899 --> 01:55:07,090
say I was quite a a psycho not when I

2545
01:55:14,459 --> 01:55:09,909
was much younger I getting to your

2546
01:55:16,529 --> 01:55:14,469
wayward youth crystal Ryan Alou proudly

2547
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,539
okay I will get into more of Chris

2548
01:55:20,759 --> 01:55:18,639
O'Brien's wayward youth maybe dr. John

2549
01:55:21,569 --> 01:55:20,769
Alexander is wayward youth but not Jean

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01:55:24,270 --> 01:55:21,579
Steinberg's

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way would youth because you don't want

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it in have once we join us Chris

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O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

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2669
02:00:42,260 --> 02:00:39,960
you want

2670
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:42,270
it's Chris's fault right okay yeah blame

2671
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:44,850
it on me because John to come on our

2672
02:00:49,820 --> 02:00:46,650
forums and answer some if we don't cover

2673
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:49,830
them all okay here's some more this is

2674
02:00:54,770 --> 02:00:52,560
from Blowfish one of our big posters

2675
02:00:56,450 --> 02:00:54,780
he's posted almost a thousand times on

2676
02:00:59,090 --> 02:00:56,460
the forum first of all what are your

2677
02:01:01,070 --> 02:00:59,100
thoughts John on Ingo Swann's book

2678
02:01:03,229 --> 02:01:01,080
penetration and did you ever see any

2679
02:01:06,020 --> 02:01:03,239
indications of past or future nuclear

2680
02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:06,030
explosions in space now basically what

2681
02:01:11,180 --> 02:01:08,159
he's talking about is is your work with

2682
02:01:13,250 --> 02:01:11,190
remote viewing teams and he also asked

2683
02:01:15,939 --> 02:01:13,260
if your remote viewers ever had any

2684
02:01:19,250 --> 02:01:15,949
strange awareness quote-unquote

2685
02:01:20,990 --> 02:01:19,260
encounters or shadow people or other

2686
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:21,000
foreign type of what appeared to be

2687
02:01:25,610 --> 02:01:22,530
intelligences during remote viewing

2688
02:01:29,180 --> 02:01:25,620
sessions you know I may clarify a point

2689
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:29,190
I was not with the remote viewing unit I

2690
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:32,670
did some other things in parallel we

2691
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:35,850
have since become friends and I knew

2692
02:01:41,780 --> 02:01:38,010
some of the people then knew more of

2693
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:41,790
them now Ingo is a personal friend there

2694
02:01:47,149 --> 02:01:44,070
are areas that we agree to disagree

2695
02:01:49,879 --> 02:01:47,159
interestingly in the book that's

2696
02:01:52,610 --> 02:01:49,889
mentioned he has been I gave him a copy

2697
02:01:55,790 --> 02:01:52,620
earlier I saw him in November when I was

2698
02:01:58,520 --> 02:01:55,800
in New York and it gave him

2699
02:02:00,979 --> 02:01:58,530
you know a pre publication that was

2700
02:02:03,530 --> 02:02:00,989
still in galleys and he has been telling

2701
02:02:05,810 --> 02:02:03,540
people all over that they really need to

2702
02:02:07,729 --> 02:02:05,820
read it no no I mean he just comes up

2703
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:07,739
with things from time to time that are

2704
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:11,130
very hard to discern unfortunately he is

2705
02:02:17,570 --> 02:02:15,570
not doing more remote viewing now but he

2706
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:17,580
was certainly one of the best and the

2707
02:02:21,649 --> 02:02:19,530
whole field owes him a great deal

2708
02:02:24,740 --> 02:02:21,659
because he's the one who came up with a

2709
02:02:28,270 --> 02:02:24,750
matrix concept which allowed this to be

2710
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:28,280
really a more trainable skill

2711
02:02:31,810 --> 02:02:29,930
so you weren't actually directly

2712
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:31,820
involved in any sort of remote viewing

2713
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:33,920
work then is what you're saying like

2714
02:02:38,860 --> 02:02:35,690
you're talking about in the unis no I

2715
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:38,870
the work that I did was more I did a lot

2716
02:02:45,070 --> 02:02:42,110
of stuff with psychokinesis some know

2717
02:02:48,220 --> 02:02:45,080
about the white white cell you'll remote

2718
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,230
perception tests that we did that that

2719
02:02:54,340 --> 02:02:51,440
was separate from the programs that they

2720
02:02:56,770 --> 02:02:54,350
finally know the Stargate here's here's

2721
02:02:58,930 --> 02:02:56,780
an interesting one this this is from JJ

2722
02:03:02,350 --> 02:02:58,940
flash who is a recent addition to our

2723
02:03:04,780 --> 02:03:02,360
forum family and he reposts an article

2724
02:03:06,610 --> 02:03:04,790
that was written in by I think a Sharon

2725
02:03:09,550 --> 02:03:06,620
Weinberger in The Washington Post in

2726
02:03:12,340 --> 02:03:09,560
2007 and it talks about a gentleman

2727
02:03:14,890 --> 02:03:12,350
named Harlan Girard who personally hold

2728
02:03:19,540 --> 02:03:14,900
you responsible for the voices in his

2729
02:03:21,940 --> 02:03:19,550
head that you did something to someone

2730
02:03:25,060 --> 02:03:21,950
that they resent you for or maybe they

2731
02:03:30,700 --> 02:03:25,070
like voices in their head yeah first

2732
02:03:34,020 --> 02:03:30,710
encountered him in the 92 93 timeframe

2733
02:03:38,020 --> 02:03:34,030
when I held the first non-lethal weapons

2734
02:03:41,350 --> 02:03:38,030
conference at John Hopkins Applied

2735
02:03:44,020 --> 02:03:41,360
Physics lab in Maryland and they showed

2736
02:03:45,850 --> 02:03:44,030
up and it was a classified meeting so

2737
02:03:49,690 --> 02:03:45,860
they couldn't get in so we were picketed

2738
02:03:52,300 --> 02:03:49,700
and then he asked me to have hold a

2739
02:03:54,630 --> 02:03:52,310
minute of silence for the 50,000 people

2740
02:03:57,610 --> 02:03:54,640
we had killed in high-power microwave

2741
02:04:02,740 --> 02:03:57,620
experiments you know that's as many

2742
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:02,750
folks has died in Vietnam I mean it just

2743
02:04:09,010 --> 02:04:07,280
defies common sense and actually two

2744
02:04:12,010 --> 02:04:09,020
years ago I'll be going back to Germany

2745
02:04:15,220 --> 02:04:12,020
in a couple months but two years ago at

2746
02:04:17,230 --> 02:04:15,230
the biannual conference some people got

2747
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:17,240
in to talk about these issue I get

2748
02:04:22,060 --> 02:04:19,850
picketed internationally there and it's

2749
02:04:24,460 --> 02:04:22,070
on the same issue and Harlan was

2750
02:04:27,460 --> 02:04:24,470
actually one of the people who flew over

2751
02:04:30,070 --> 02:04:27,470
from the US for it my point would be the

2752
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:30,080
much more practical or pragmatic answer

2753
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:34,880
is that actually 0.5% of the people

2754
02:04:39,310 --> 02:04:38,210
could be legitimately classified as

2755
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:39,320
paranoid

2756
02:04:44,410 --> 02:04:41,570
now that may not sound like a lot until

2757
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:44,420
you say in the millionaire in the u.s.

2758
02:04:49,630 --> 02:04:46,970
that's a million and a half people so

2759
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:49,640
when you put it in in real numbers it's

2760
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:51,890
a little scary there's a lot of crazy

2761
02:04:58,450 --> 02:04:54,850
folks out there you know that's kind of

2762
02:05:00,730 --> 02:04:58,460
more than you might anticipate yes and I

2763
02:05:02,710 --> 02:05:00,740
have encountered one or two fortunately

2764
02:05:05,470 --> 02:05:02,720
I don't have a target on my back side

2765
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:05,480
like you apparently do with with your

2766
02:05:09,310 --> 02:05:07,490
work history and and your you're

2767
02:05:11,170 --> 02:05:09,320
outspoken nature which we're really

2768
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:11,180
enjoying here and we really thank you

2769
02:05:15,010 --> 02:05:13,280
for being on here's another question

2770
02:05:18,190 --> 02:05:15,020
this is from Kandinsky who's another

2771
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:18,200
longtime poster on the para cast and he

2772
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:20,570
mentions the the infamous Gulf Breeze

2773
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:23,690
six incident would Lance Davison the

2774
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:26,210
bunch that went AWOL in Germany back in

2775
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:29,690
1990 and what what do you make of that

2776
02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:32,810
whole scenario being given messages with

2777
02:05:37,390 --> 02:05:34,790
through a Ouija board that they have to

2778
02:05:40,710 --> 02:05:37,400
save the world and going AWOL and why

2779
02:05:43,660 --> 02:05:40,720
were these these these army members

2780
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:43,670
allowed to you know leave the army

2781
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:45,650
without prejudice can you share some

2782
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:48,050
light on that I think we just answered

2783
02:05:59,380 --> 02:05:56,570
that in the last question one of the key

2784
02:06:02,950 --> 02:05:59,390
people that was with Harlan actually was

2785
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:02,960
a Warrant Officer who had you know been

2786
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,810
through the system now I mentioned that

2787
02:06:10,030 --> 02:06:08,480
she had come with certified papers

2788
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:10,040
because when they let her go was a

2789
02:06:15,670 --> 02:06:13,610
medical discharge and she was in fact

2790
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:15,680
one of the cute articles that showed up

2791
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:18,490
was that he claimed that people had

2792
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:21,470
snuck into her apartment and put her

2793
02:06:25,900 --> 02:06:24,110
white mice in the blender and I gotta

2794
02:06:28,450 --> 02:06:25,910
know this was in the newspaper it was

2795
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:28,460
his job did you put the mice in the

2796
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:38,450
blender this is true here's a rather

2797
02:06:42,250 --> 02:06:40,400
long question so I'm gonna kind of

2798
02:06:44,710 --> 02:06:42,260
paraphrase it we haven't talked about

2799
02:06:47,410 --> 02:06:44,720
men who stare at goats the Jon Ronson

2800
02:06:50,350 --> 02:06:47,420
book and then subsequent dark comedy

2801
02:06:53,120 --> 02:06:50,360
film starring George Clooney and Kevin

2802
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,130
Spacey who some people suggest may

2803
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:55,440
have been loosely modeled on you that

2804
02:06:59,300 --> 02:06:57,210
character this is the first time by the

2805
02:07:01,700 --> 02:06:59,310
way we've had a guest on who has

2806
02:07:03,890 --> 02:07:01,710
inspired a character and a movie ors

2807
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:03,900
allegedly inspired inspired a character

2808
02:07:07,850 --> 02:07:05,610
for a main hollywood mainstream

2809
02:07:09,650 --> 02:07:07,860
Hollywood film but the question broadly

2810
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:09,660
says is what do you think of that

2811
02:07:16,670 --> 02:07:13,110
particular depiction of what was going

2812
02:07:18,890 --> 02:07:16,680
on with these you're at because this may

2813
02:07:21,860 --> 02:07:18,900
take just a little bit the point here is

2814
02:07:23,810 --> 02:07:21,870
that in the book it is unambiguous who

2815
02:07:26,450 --> 02:07:23,820
we are and when the book came out we are

2816
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:26,460
in there by name so we write you don't

2817
02:07:31,850 --> 02:07:28,410
you don't have to guess who we are I

2818
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:31,860
enter I think on page 44 and stay

2819
02:07:37,700 --> 02:07:34,170
throughout the rest of the book the Jeff

2820
02:07:40,010 --> 02:07:37,710
Bridges character was a one-on-one for a

2821
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:40,020
good friend of mine Jim Shannon really

2822
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:42,930
did create the first Earth battalion the

2823
02:07:47,690 --> 02:07:45,930
guy is a brilliant Imagineer one of the

2824
02:07:51,740 --> 02:07:47,700
problems I had when the book first came

2825
02:07:54,860 --> 02:07:51,750
out was I could identify 16 people and I

2826
02:07:57,470 --> 02:07:54,870
actually denied meeting Jon Ronson and

2827
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,480
he sent me an email it was something it

2828
02:08:02,560 --> 02:07:59,760
was so specific that he must have been

2829
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:02,570
in my house I went back and sure enough

2830
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:06,570
he had been here but he was like a grip

2831
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:09,690
okay he had come with John sergeant who

2832
02:08:15,740 --> 02:08:12,450
was a filmmaker whom I did interview

2833
02:08:18,290 --> 02:08:15,750
with on several occasions who was known

2834
02:08:20,450 --> 02:08:18,300
than I had talked to him I had no idea I

2835
02:08:22,850 --> 02:08:20,460
was doing the book I'll tell you what

2836
02:08:26,270 --> 02:08:22,860
let's go into the men who stare at goats

2837
02:08:29,570 --> 02:08:26,280
and well that's more out there John

2838
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:29,580
Alexander joining us I'm gene Steinberg

2839
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:31,800
Chris O'Brien's the co-host you're in

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whole professions intent on

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short-circuiting humanity's well being

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2896
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seems their hand has been tipped they

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want to dictate your health wealth and

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2899
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have a solution wild edible food why

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worry about food when all has been

2901
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provided we imagine that we were ejected

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from the garden and never invited back

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but the gardens still here there is an

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endless wild abundance which grows all

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over our green earth just waiting for

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you to wake up and see it let Otto Linda

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get started today

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or call one eight eight eight fifty one

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eat free that's of the field calm or

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call one eight eight eight five one

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eight free and begin to see a different

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my name's John I've been having problems

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with my blood pressure for years my

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doctors tried everything without much

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success I heard about extender bite for

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my friend I thought why not give it a

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try it's been 3 months now my doctors

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very pleased with how my blood pressures

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finally coming down I have a lot more

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energy than I've had in a long time it's

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working for me for 12 years now I've

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listening to the podcast dr. John

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02:13:03,650 --> 02:13:01,770
Alexander he is our guest we're talking

2948
02:13:05,150 --> 02:13:03,660
about the men who stare at goats and

2949
02:13:07,190 --> 02:13:05,160
that gets to be interesting I want to

2950
02:13:09,710 --> 02:13:07,200
ask a couple of questions before we go

2951
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back to the comments from our forum

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members at forum dot podcast calm

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Chrissa Brian's the co-host I'm gene

2954
02:13:18,620 --> 02:13:16,560
Steinberg you're in the power cast so

2955
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:18,630
let me ask you the really hard question

2956
02:13:23,150 --> 02:13:20,010
here of the book the men who stare at

2957
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:23,160
goats how close is that to what we saw

2958
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:26,400
in the movies well let's say they took

2959
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:30,570
about 5% truth and wrote a book and from

2960
02:13:35,870 --> 02:13:32,880
that they extrapolated to a movie in

2961
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:35,880
fact I have one percent the way movies

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02:13:39,970 --> 02:13:38,730
go yes we haven't mentioned I do have a

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website

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02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:45,120
WWH and B Alexander Tom and I've

2965
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:48,330
actually addressed this in a fair amount

2966
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:50,250
of detail they go in there as to what

2967
02:13:55,580 --> 02:13:52,800
was real and what was not real but not

2968
02:13:58,460 --> 02:13:55,590
real for sure is staring at goats and

2969
02:14:01,310 --> 02:13:58,470
having them die and that they had bought

2970
02:14:04,070 --> 02:14:01,320
into a story that you know without

2971
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:04,080
checking it and certainly the LSD stock

2972
02:14:11,060 --> 02:14:08,250
in that time frame is just an absolute

2973
02:14:13,340 --> 02:14:11,070
non-starter they did use SIL non-lethal

2974
02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:13,350
weapons remote-viewing there's an

2975
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:16,110
incident in there where Clooney walks

2976
02:14:21,470 --> 02:14:19,050
into a room and the computers crash he

2977
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,480
has that an area 51 that really happened

2978
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:23,280
in Augsburg Germany that was London

2979
02:14:28,460 --> 02:14:25,290
Buckhannon and so there are a number of

2980
02:14:31,190 --> 02:14:28,470
little vignettes that are sort of true

2981
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:31,200
the thing that got me and probably

2982
02:14:37,850 --> 02:14:33,330
longer than you want to go into here was

2983
02:14:40,630 --> 02:14:37,860
to why staring and what not might have

2984
02:14:43,970 --> 02:14:40,640
come been done for some very practical

2985
02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:43,980
purposes there was a guy named Anna

2986
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:46,530
Kroll an American hero who was captured

2987
02:14:50,529 --> 02:14:49,770
in Vietnam held for five years we got

2988
02:14:54,370 --> 02:14:50,539
him back

2989
02:14:58,029 --> 02:14:54,380
again during a raid in 68 later went on

2990
02:15:01,359 --> 02:14:58,039
to run the theory the survival evasion

2991
02:15:03,970 --> 02:15:01,369
resistance and escape course and he had

2992
02:15:07,330 --> 02:15:03,980
heard about dim Mac or the death touch

2993
02:15:08,410 --> 02:15:07,340
and really did send some people out to

2994
02:15:10,930 --> 02:15:08,420
look at that

2995
02:15:13,959 --> 02:15:10,940
but his premise was after you know five

2996
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:13,969
years of practical experience that you

2997
02:15:19,029 --> 02:15:16,400
could influence people by steering not

2998
02:15:21,129 --> 02:15:19,039
to kill them but you know can I just get

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them to walk a little bit farther in one

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direction or not look at things while

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02:15:28,359 --> 02:15:26,210
you're doing something else again that

3002
02:15:31,390 --> 02:15:28,369
the background information on that is

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02:15:33,549 --> 02:15:31,400
post my website and it's also on Jimmy

3004
02:15:36,279 --> 02:15:33,559
Chan or this first Earth battalion when

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people click on your name if the power

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cast calm John B Alexandre PhD that will

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go right to your site we make it easy

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for them to find it Chris any more

3009
02:15:46,359 --> 02:15:43,730
questions left

3010
02:15:49,359 --> 02:15:46,369
yes I've actually got got a number of

3011
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:49,369
them one of the things that is mentioned

3012
02:15:55,060 --> 02:15:52,400
in this particular long about four

3013
02:15:57,220 --> 02:15:55,070
paragraph question it might be

3014
02:15:59,410 --> 02:15:57,230
inappropriate in a para cast interview

3015
02:16:01,839 --> 02:15:59,420
but you might ask him if the reputation

3016
02:16:04,299 --> 02:16:01,849
his wife has for literally never eating

3017
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:04,309
anything is true now John and I must say

3018
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:06,320
I was at dinner with you twice with

3019
02:16:11,620 --> 02:16:09,130
Victoria and she never ate a morsel so

3020
02:16:13,839 --> 02:16:11,630
so I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about this

3021
02:16:17,229 --> 02:16:13,849
and also her self description as a

3022
02:16:20,680 --> 02:16:17,239
practicing witch which I'm not sure as a

3023
02:16:22,839 --> 02:16:20,690
proper term that she uses but he says

3024
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:22,849
bearing in mind all the other weird

3025
02:16:27,790 --> 02:16:25,280
stuff that John is into that might also

3026
02:16:29,529 --> 02:16:27,800
be true too but best steer clear of that

3027
02:16:32,219 --> 02:16:29,539
of course this is a pair of cast so we

3028
02:16:35,790 --> 02:16:32,229
have to ask the questions

3029
02:16:39,339 --> 02:16:35,800
the answer is she's not a breatharian

3030
02:16:42,700 --> 02:16:39,349
but she defies everything you have ever

3031
02:16:47,099 --> 02:16:42,710
learned about nutrition she has we've

3032
02:16:50,410 --> 02:16:47,109
been married almost 20 years and is on a

3033
02:16:54,339 --> 02:16:50,420
normal diet that is less than 600

3034
02:16:56,740 --> 02:16:54,349
calories and survives quite well and

3035
02:17:00,450 --> 02:16:56,750
yeah never does he never eats in public

3036
02:17:04,110 --> 02:17:00,460
at the moment earned by it and has been

3037
02:17:10,379 --> 02:17:04,120
many many years is egg whites I will

3038
02:17:13,410 --> 02:17:10,389
also medically don't try this everything

3039
02:17:16,379 --> 02:17:13,420
that that you've heard about nutrition

3040
02:17:18,810 --> 02:17:16,389
yeah for her it works my goodness well

3041
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:18,820
how about her interest in in the more

3042
02:17:24,750 --> 02:17:22,210
natural nature based belief systems

3043
02:17:28,620 --> 02:17:24,760
which is commonly miss referred to as

3044
02:17:31,919 --> 02:17:28,630
witchcraft she does seem to have some

3045
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:31,929
pretty eclectic interests in nature

3046
02:17:38,339 --> 02:17:35,490
religion so what are your feelings about

3047
02:17:41,310 --> 02:17:38,349
spirituality that harkens back to more

3048
02:17:43,530 --> 02:17:41,320
of a you know archaic revival if you

3049
02:17:47,360 --> 02:17:43,540
will I would say that's a

3050
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:47,370
misinterpretation totally and she is

3051
02:17:55,860 --> 02:17:51,490
interested in Saints and some of the

3052
02:17:58,110 --> 02:17:55,870
phenomenal incidents around Saints as

3053
02:18:02,339 --> 02:17:58,120
you mentioned she does Explorer

3054
02:18:05,129 --> 02:18:02,349
ayahuasca but not I think there's some

3055
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:05,139
mythology out there this misplaced about

3056
02:18:10,379 --> 02:18:07,570
any of the Dirk or arts if you will

3057
02:18:12,140 --> 02:18:10,389
homeboy aren't there that's an

3058
02:18:15,330 --> 02:18:12,150
understatement

3059
02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:15,340
let's see we've got another question

3060
02:18:22,650 --> 02:18:18,729
about Colonel Corso

3061
02:18:24,750 --> 02:18:22,660
let's quickly revisit the Corso scenario

3062
02:18:27,299 --> 02:18:24,760
what do you think his motivations were

3063
02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:27,309
first of all to come forward and second

3064
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:30,729
of all to allow a co-writer to embellish

3065
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:33,519
his original accounts which by the way

3066
02:18:38,700 --> 02:18:35,650
open minds the organization that put on

3067
02:18:41,219 --> 02:18:38,710
the recent UFO Congress has published

3068
02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:41,229
his original manuscript which I

3069
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:43,179
understand this is quite different from

3070
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,090
the from the final version of the book

3071
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:48,639
that they have to Roswell what do you

3072
02:18:52,020 --> 02:18:50,080
think his motivations were to come

3073
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,030
forward some people have surmised that

3074
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,639
perhaps it was just to maybe get some

3075
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:56,559
notoriety in his later years and

3076
02:18:59,759 --> 02:18:58,479
potentially have a best-seller so that

3077
02:19:02,549 --> 02:18:59,769
he could generate some money for his

3078
02:19:04,440 --> 02:19:02,559
family what are your feelings on the

3079
02:19:07,950 --> 02:19:04,450
name of the chapter in my book is called

3080
02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:07,960
the Corso conundrum it specifically

3081
02:19:13,340 --> 02:19:10,570
because of this like I say he was a

3082
02:19:19,310 --> 02:19:15,580
we knew him you know as I said before

3083
02:19:22,190 --> 02:19:19,320
the book ever came out bond had actually

3084
02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:22,200
offered to help him get it in there

3085
02:19:26,660 --> 02:19:24,630
which you didn't mention and George

3086
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:26,670
Knapp was supposed to have been the

3087
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:29,010
co-author and that's how we learned

3088
02:19:34,220 --> 02:19:30,960
about him because this had come about

3089
02:19:39,350 --> 02:19:34,230
you know long before bill birnes came on

3090
02:19:43,850 --> 02:19:39,360
the scene he was who he said he was he

3091
02:19:47,510 --> 02:19:43,860
was in most of those places he did good

3092
02:19:53,180 --> 02:19:47,520
things at the appropriate level for

3093
02:19:55,940 --> 02:19:53,190
where he was at and why I just don't

3094
02:19:57,461 --> 02:19:55,950
know I mean that law was bug but we

3095
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:57,471
tried to help him get a movie

3096
02:20:03,620 --> 02:20:01,200
unfortunately he couldn't do it Steven

3097
02:20:07,041 --> 02:20:03,630
Seagal is a personal friend of mine and

3098
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:07,051
he wanted to make the movie and we had

3099
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:10,740
fill out to try and do that and it turns

3100
02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:13,290
out that his agent had kept the rights

3101
02:20:22,761 --> 02:20:20,460
so Phil couldn't sign the deal and one

3102
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:22,771
of the last things it yeah well I will

3103
02:20:27,560 --> 02:20:24,450
say the one of the last things he told

3104
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:27,570
me at the house there because he was

3105
02:20:33,230 --> 02:20:30,210
writing some more and you know he was

3106
02:20:34,910 --> 02:20:33,240
not computer literate so as you seen if

3107
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:34,920
he'd go on the website and you're

3108
02:20:41,841 --> 02:20:37,250
certainly correct about how different

3109
02:20:44,511 --> 02:20:41,851
the book is from the original manuscript

3110
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:44,521
but there are handwritten parts there's

3111
02:20:52,370 --> 02:20:47,610
types and you know kind of clues

3112
02:20:54,350 --> 02:20:52,380
together if you will but what he said

3113
02:20:56,841 --> 02:20:54,360
was he needed to do another book to

3114
02:21:00,980 --> 02:20:56,851
correct the errors that were in the

3115
02:21:03,230 --> 02:21:00,990
original and he had received and I mean

3116
02:21:04,910 --> 02:21:03,240
people have accused me it was speaking

3117
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:04,920
ill of the dead than that and I said I

3118
02:21:10,341 --> 02:21:06,690
haven't said anything I didn't say to

3119
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,351
him directly and because in publishing

3120
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:12,240
that letter that is a letter that went

3121
02:21:19,370 --> 02:21:15,690
to him right after the book came out

3122
02:21:22,970 --> 02:21:19,380
again 90 some errors and some many of

3123
02:21:25,370 --> 02:21:22,980
them very very significant yes

3124
02:21:27,011 --> 02:21:25,380
the monster oblique faults I mean we're

3125
02:21:29,410 --> 02:21:27,021
not talking interpretation

3126
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:29,420
the monster ibly false therefore he did

3127
02:21:37,720 --> 02:21:33,170
not funnel secret alien technology into

3128
02:21:40,211 --> 02:21:37,730
private industry not at all certainly no

3129
02:21:41,740 --> 02:21:40,221
indication of that okay because that's

3130
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:41,750
the biggest thing that's basically

3131
02:21:47,650 --> 02:21:45,050
forget it now it's affine though there

3132
02:21:50,051 --> 02:21:47,660
was night goggles or any of this other

3133
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:50,061
stuff pretty sure night vision there's

3134
02:21:54,761 --> 02:21:52,160
something that I know intimately the guy

3135
02:21:56,261 --> 02:21:54,771
who created night vision lab was a

3136
02:21:59,290 --> 02:21:56,271
personal friend of mine

3137
02:22:01,631 --> 02:21:59,300
some of the work that I did even though

3138
02:22:04,930 --> 02:22:01,641
I was at INSCOM was actually done at

3139
02:22:08,020 --> 02:22:04,940
night-vision lab I can tell you that

3140
02:22:11,140 --> 02:22:08,030
alien eyeballs played absolutely no role

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02:22:13,091 --> 02:22:11,150
in the development of any of our

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night-vision systems I'll tell you what

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our sponsors had eyeballs and they're

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gonna be very concerned if we don't give

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him a chance John Alexander PhD joining

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us Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

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O'Brien you're in the para cast

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are you tired of searching for a great

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3256
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hello this is John burrows one of the

3257
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witnesses to the Rendlesham UFO incident

3258
02:27:05,591 --> 02:26:57,110
you're listening to the podcast the gold

3259
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before we get back to our guests for

3260
02:27:11,860 --> 02:27:09,530
this final segment if you have a comment

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02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:11,870
or a question about the power cast write

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us news at the power cast com that's

3263
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news at the Parra cast com we read every

3264
02:27:22,180 --> 02:27:19,460
letter we get this is our final segment

3265
02:27:24,251 --> 02:27:22,190
of our visit with dr. John Alexander the

3266
02:27:26,591 --> 02:27:24,261
book is called UFOs myths conspiracies

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02:27:29,020 --> 02:27:26,601
and realities and by the way neighbors

3268
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if you go to the para cast com our home

3269
02:27:34,780 --> 02:27:32,120
page when you click on dr. Alexander's

3270
02:27:35,801 --> 02:27:34,790
name you will go right to his website so

3271
02:27:37,360 --> 02:27:35,811
you can check out some of the things

3272
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:37,370
that he has to write about Chris

3273
02:27:41,381 --> 02:27:39,290
O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

3274
02:27:44,501 --> 02:27:41,391
you're in the para cast Chris any more

3275
02:27:46,690 --> 02:27:44,511
questions left well we do one thing sure

3276
02:27:49,211 --> 02:27:46,700
yes where you go the website you'll find

3277
02:27:51,131 --> 02:27:49,221
where I live most of the time because

3278
02:27:53,080 --> 02:27:51,141
there's a number of government pubs and

3279
02:27:55,751 --> 02:27:53,090
things like that that are up there um

3280
02:27:58,631 --> 02:27:55,761
things like the convergence of special

3281
02:28:01,180 --> 02:27:58,641
operations forces and military swats and

3282
02:28:03,100 --> 02:28:01,190
your regular warfare in Africa there's a

3283
02:28:06,970 --> 02:28:03,110
book in there it just came out last year

3284
02:28:09,430 --> 02:28:06,980
that I have a chapter in on you know the

3285
02:28:11,770 --> 02:28:09,440
future of biological warfare and I

3286
02:28:14,140 --> 02:28:11,780
mentioned KITT Green has a chapter in

3287
02:28:17,291 --> 02:28:14,150
that book as well so well like is a very

3288
02:28:19,450 --> 02:28:17,301
eclectic and ufos was a piece of but

3289
02:28:21,131 --> 02:28:19,460
let's look at the overall picture here

3290
02:28:23,410 --> 02:28:21,141
because of your association with the

3291
02:28:26,461 --> 02:28:23,420
government we have to ask you here okay

3292
02:28:29,530 --> 02:28:26,471
number one you're not violating any

3293
02:28:31,930 --> 02:28:29,540
secrecy regulations or commitments here

3294
02:28:34,180 --> 02:28:31,940
and talking about this stuff right in in

3295
02:28:36,430 --> 02:28:34,190
the book I have to back you know I have

3296
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:36,440
a comment there this is anybody who's

3297
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:38,570
got information about this it wants to

3298
02:28:44,110 --> 02:28:41,840
get it out let me know because while

3299
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:44,120
some people may have been threatened you

3300
02:28:48,881 --> 02:28:46,330
know there is no policy and a

3301
02:28:51,700 --> 02:28:48,891
substantial number of people have talked

3302
02:28:53,251 --> 02:28:51,710
and absolutely nothing bad has happened

3303
02:28:56,110 --> 02:28:53,261
to them

3304
02:28:57,820 --> 02:28:56,120
well the UFO people beat them up but as

3305
02:28:59,711 --> 02:28:57,830
far as the government there's nobody's

3306
02:29:02,020 --> 02:28:59,721
been arrested or charged or had the

3307
02:29:05,770 --> 02:29:02,030
security clearances revoked or anything

3308
02:29:08,410 --> 02:29:05,780
like that again there's no overall

3309
02:29:10,261 --> 02:29:08,420
policy that says you can't discuss these

3310
02:29:13,211 --> 02:29:10,271
things okay so the people who are

3311
02:29:15,820 --> 02:29:13,221
clamoring over and over again ad

3312
02:29:17,860 --> 02:29:15,830
infinitum for disclosure the government

3313
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:17,870
has to tell us what they know they're

3314
02:29:21,450 --> 02:29:18,640
just barking up the

3315
02:29:24,479 --> 02:29:21,460
longtree well my argument and in the

3316
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:24,489
brief and they have time after time

3317
02:29:27,899 --> 02:29:25,210
after time

3318
02:29:29,610 --> 02:29:27,909
you know presidents of why not the White

3319
02:29:32,910 --> 02:29:29,620
House presidents have come forward

3320
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:32,920
several of them general senior officers

3321
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:37,050
hon sober from you know father of space

3322
02:29:42,660 --> 02:29:40,810
you know the Vatican they'll who at my

3323
02:29:44,519 --> 02:29:42,670
point it how many times so they have to

3324
02:29:46,290 --> 02:29:44,529
tell you this is real before you believe

3325
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:46,300
it well it's the depth of their

3326
02:29:50,939 --> 02:29:47,770
knowledge that I think the Steven

3327
02:29:52,860 --> 02:29:50,949
Bassett Sanjay Weber's Michael solids

3328
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:52,870
and Steven Greer czar after they want

3329
02:30:01,189 --> 02:29:54,880
The Smoking Gun they want at all

3330
02:30:08,309 --> 02:30:04,769
most barela's website those things that

3331
02:30:11,519 --> 02:30:08,319
are demonstrably false specifically that

3332
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:11,529
we have been driving UFOs or they've

3333
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:14,409
been you've had these capabilities since

3334
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:18,489
quote the 1960s and you go if so let's

3335
02:30:23,370 --> 02:30:20,770
understand UFOs are not about little

3336
02:30:27,090 --> 02:30:23,380
widgets flying around if they're real

3337
02:30:29,519 --> 02:30:27,100
it's about energy energy you know has

3338
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:29,529
been driving the world in for a long

3339
02:30:33,809 --> 02:30:32,170
time we've lost you know the ten

3340
02:30:36,179 --> 02:30:33,819
trillion dollar I have my ten trillion

3341
02:30:38,340 --> 02:30:36,189
dollar challenge up there would you

3342
02:30:41,969 --> 02:30:38,350
really have that ten trillion dollars

3343
02:30:42,330 --> 02:30:41,979
evaporate just because they want to hold

3344
02:30:45,149 --> 02:30:42,340
it

3345
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:45,159
know people assume yet the government is

3346
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:48,130
incompetent across the board except for

3347
02:30:52,830 --> 02:30:51,010
her for UFOs will they become omniscient

3348
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:52,840
and omnipotent and it makes no sense

3349
02:30:56,939 --> 02:30:53,920
whatsoever

3350
02:31:00,269 --> 02:30:56,949
very good point I always wonder about

3351
02:31:02,490 --> 02:31:00,279
you know every day every day you listen

3352
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:02,500
to the talking heads on cable TV right

3353
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:04,930
left middle whatever and they say look

3354
02:31:08,849 --> 02:31:07,090
how incompetent the government is they

3355
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:08,859
haven't a clue what they're doing they

3356
02:31:13,889 --> 02:31:11,050
always get things wrong oh by the way

3357
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:13,899
they're keeping UFO mystery a deep dark

3358
02:31:18,750 --> 02:31:16,210
secret some people say and they've got

3359
02:31:21,899 --> 02:31:18,760
this grand conspiracy and they've

3360
02:31:23,580 --> 02:31:21,909
basically engaged in disinformation

3361
02:31:25,979 --> 02:31:23,590
they're doing all this stuff they know

3362
02:31:27,750 --> 02:31:25,989
exactly what they're doing about UFOs

3363
02:31:31,389 --> 02:31:27,760
but when it comes to anything else

3364
02:31:33,130 --> 02:31:31,399
they're just a bunch of incompetence

3365
02:31:35,949 --> 02:31:33,140
doesn't claim to go to you the twins

3366
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,959
don't go together it doesn't stack up

3367
02:31:39,699 --> 02:31:37,760
does it well here's a good way to

3368
02:31:42,699 --> 02:31:39,709
possibly kind of wrap up this wonderful

3369
02:31:44,409 --> 02:31:42,709
three-hour show with you and again thank

3370
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:44,419
you so much it was great meeting you and

3371
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:46,850
Victoria and I'm so happy to that you

3372
02:31:51,790 --> 02:31:49,369
agreed to be on the show and hopefully

3373
02:31:53,469 --> 02:31:51,800
we'll get a return visit where we can go

3374
02:31:55,750 --> 02:31:53,479
into some of these areas in a little bit

3375
02:31:57,449 --> 02:31:55,760
more in-depth but where do we go from

3376
02:31:59,920 --> 02:31:57,459
here John I mean where does the

3377
02:32:03,399 --> 02:31:59,930
scientific community the civilian

3378
02:32:06,069 --> 02:32:03,409
research community go from here dealing

3379
02:32:08,019 --> 02:32:06,079
obviously we're dealing with the giggle

3380
02:32:11,130 --> 02:32:08,029
factor and in scientific and academic

3381
02:32:14,050 --> 02:32:11,140
scorn we need government transparency

3382
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:14,060
you mentioned and I love the term the

3383
02:32:18,909 --> 02:32:16,130
puzzle paradox and the need for micro

3384
02:32:21,580 --> 02:32:18,919
pattern analysis where do we go from

3385
02:32:25,179 --> 02:32:21,590
here well one of the things I point out

3386
02:32:28,989 --> 02:32:25,189
is that the UFO community is as such is

3387
02:32:33,239 --> 02:32:28,999
their own worst enemies I mean they are

3388
02:32:35,859 --> 02:32:33,249
instrumental in making it impossible for

3389
02:32:39,639 --> 02:32:35,869
reputable scientists to enter the field

3390
02:32:41,500 --> 02:32:39,649
again guilt by association one of the

3391
02:32:46,929 --> 02:32:41,510
things I proposed though I don't think

3392
02:32:50,620 --> 02:32:46,939
it would happen would be that we have a

3393
02:32:54,069 --> 02:32:50,630
high level officials such as gates from

3394
02:32:56,260 --> 02:32:54,079
Department of Defense or Jim clapper who

3395
02:33:00,849 --> 02:32:56,270
runs the Director of National

3396
02:33:04,510 --> 02:33:00,859
Intelligence or Panetta in CIA to come

3397
02:33:08,199 --> 02:33:04,520
out and just wave a wand and say anybody

3398
02:33:10,599 --> 02:33:08,209
who has you know information they

3399
02:33:13,779 --> 02:33:10,609
believe to be classified about UFOs is

3400
02:33:17,170 --> 02:33:13,789
hereby free to talk about it it's a

3401
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:17,180
win-win no cost situation don't think

3402
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:18,770
they'll do it because it doesn't even

3403
02:33:25,929 --> 02:33:22,010
pop up on their scopes she wouldn't all

3404
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:25,939
did release people from the Roswell any

3405
02:33:30,580 --> 02:33:27,680
oaths that might have been taken with

3406
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:30,590
that and it would certainly clear up a

3407
02:33:34,929 --> 02:33:33,050
lot of information now I would also say

3408
02:33:36,279 --> 02:33:34,939
there's a lot a lot of people who were

3409
02:33:38,500 --> 02:33:36,289
telling the stories who have to be

3410
02:33:40,239 --> 02:33:38,510
running for cover because they can no

3411
02:33:43,630 --> 02:33:40,249
longer come up with this I'd tell you

3412
02:33:44,380 --> 02:33:43,640
about I have to kill your response so

3413
02:33:47,469 --> 02:33:44,390
certainly you

3414
02:33:49,780 --> 02:33:47,479
telling us dr. Alexander but you don't

3415
02:33:52,660 --> 02:33:49,790
feel any threats so let's go back to

3416
02:33:53,950 --> 02:33:52,670
that are there therefore no men and

3417
02:33:55,599 --> 02:33:53,960
black from the government that may be

3418
02:33:58,689 --> 02:33:55,609
private individuals are running around

3419
02:34:01,750 --> 02:33:58,699
the country well financed having a ball

3420
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:01,760
at our expense certainly not well

3421
02:34:07,870 --> 02:34:04,250
financed one of the things I do address

3422
02:34:10,950 --> 02:34:07,880
in some detail is the difference between

3423
02:34:15,219 --> 02:34:10,960
individual interest and institutional

3424
02:34:17,889 --> 02:34:15,229
responsibility or accountability like

3425
02:34:20,439 --> 02:34:17,899
civilians probably seven to ten percent

3426
02:34:22,719 --> 02:34:20,449
of the you know employees of the

3427
02:34:25,149 --> 02:34:22,729
government has seen UFOs so they've had

3428
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:25,159
personal experience well many of them

3429
02:34:29,950 --> 02:34:28,430
are interested I told a story in there

3430
02:34:32,050 --> 02:34:29,960
about one of the head of the

3431
02:34:34,149 --> 02:34:32,060
three-letter agencies who said eh we

3432
02:34:36,849 --> 02:34:34,159
don't do that B let me tell you about

3433
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:36,859
the ones I saw so we had you know

3434
02:34:42,280 --> 02:34:38,930
personal experience but that still

3435
02:34:44,229 --> 02:34:42,290
didn't translate into the organization

3436
02:34:46,750 --> 02:34:44,239
doing something we're getting back to

3437
02:34:50,139 --> 02:34:46,760
where do we need to go we need to make

3438
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,149
it permissible for competent scientists

3439
02:34:56,679 --> 02:34:52,880
to enter this field I would say the same

3440
02:34:59,500 --> 02:34:56,689
things true for politicians but that's

3441
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:59,510
not about to happen and that's why the

3442
02:35:04,750 --> 02:35:01,520
UFO community you think there's going to

3443
02:35:07,420 --> 02:35:04,760
be revelation you'd have to be crazy as

3444
02:35:10,439 --> 02:35:07,430
a politician to come forward and if you

3445
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:10,449
look at what happened to Dennis Kucinich

3446
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:13,130
you know and and he asked a very

3447
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:15,920
reasonable question you said gee I saw

3448
02:35:19,090 --> 02:35:17,840
something I didn't understand what it

3449
02:35:22,090 --> 02:35:19,100
was I'd like to know

3450
02:35:24,910 --> 02:35:22,100
and for that he just gets crucified even

3451
02:35:27,309 --> 02:35:24,920
in a presidential debate one of the

3452
02:35:30,580 --> 02:35:27,319
things I mentioned was Claiborne Pell

3453
02:35:33,610 --> 02:35:30,590
think we mentioned him you know went to

3454
02:35:36,490 --> 02:35:33,620
him he stopped by a MUFON conference

3455
02:35:39,939 --> 02:35:36,500
once was interested in phenomena and the

3456
02:35:45,160 --> 02:35:39,949
Washington Post crucified him in his

3457
02:35:47,229 --> 02:35:45,170
obituary that's sighs the dead I'll tell

3458
02:35:49,090 --> 02:35:47,239
you what this is gonna have to be about

3459
02:35:51,490 --> 02:35:49,100
the wrap-up time can you tell our

3460
02:35:53,260 --> 02:35:51,500
listeners dr. John Alexander where they

3461
02:35:56,189 --> 02:35:53,270
can find more of the things that you do

3462
02:35:58,240 --> 02:35:56,199
well again you've got the website

3463
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:58,250
published that's got it

3464
02:36:05,710 --> 02:36:01,760
would look up the book UFOs mist

3465
02:36:07,780 --> 02:36:05,720
conspiracies and realities and it it's

3466
02:36:10,390 --> 02:36:07,790
again geared for people with common

3467
02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:10,400
sense it's kind of infuriating or the

3468
02:36:15,070 --> 02:36:12,910
true believers who you know have a

3469
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,080
preconceived notion of where everything

3470
02:36:19,690 --> 02:36:17,600
goes and the skeptics because I have

3471
02:36:23,530 --> 02:36:19,700
taken them or armed as well these things

3472
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:23,540
happen with reliable witnesses with

3473
02:36:29,320 --> 02:36:27,050
multi-sensory involvement you know every

3474
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:29,330
sensory system we have pixel up Chris

3475
02:36:32,740 --> 02:36:30,770
O'Brien where do we find more of the

3476
02:36:35,650 --> 02:36:32,750
stuff that you do well of course I hang

3477
02:36:38,170 --> 02:36:35,660
out at for America's comm I'm one of the

3478
02:36:39,760 --> 02:36:38,180
moderators you'll find me there once or

3479
02:36:43,300 --> 02:36:39,770
twice a day of course I do have a

3480
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:43,310
website our strange planet dot-com and

3481
02:36:49,150 --> 02:36:46,370
do pick up my book stalking the

3482
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:49,160
tricksters especially thank you do dr.

3483
02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:50,960
John Alexander thank you so much for

3484
02:36:54,970 --> 02:36:52,850
joining us this week on the power cast

3485
02:37:02,180 --> 02:36:54,980
thank you very much appreciate it it's

3486
02:37:07,230 --> 02:37:04,860
yes is a calculated presentation of

3487
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:07,240
making the impossible incorporated tune

3488
02:37:17,890 --> 02:37:09,690
in next week for a new adventure in a